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Expulsion For Gay Comments? Duquesne Student Resists Punishment
WTAE via Drudge ^ | 10.27.05

Posted on 10/27/2005 1:31:05 PM PDT by Coleus

Expulsion For Gay Comments? Duquesne Student Resists Punishment

Catholic University Sanctions Student for Calling Homosexuality 'Subhuman'

A Duquesne University sophomore will risk being kicked out of school rather than write an essay as punishment for expressing his view that homosexuality is "subhuman."

Ryan Miner, 19, of Hagerstown, Md., was sanctioned by Duquesne after posting his view in The Facebook, an online directory that is not related to the university.

Miner opposed an effort by other students to form a Gay-Straight Alliance group, an issue that is still being debated by the university.

"I believe as a student that my First Amendment rights in the Constitution were subverted and attacked," said Miner.

After Miner's comments appeared online, some students complained to the school.

After a hearing, the Office of Judicial Affairs found Miner guilty of violating the University Code, which prohibits harassment or discrimination based on sexual orientation, among other groups.

A 10-page paper was assigned as punishment. Miner said he refuses to write it and will file an appeal.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: academia; academialist; catholiccolleges; catholicschools; catholicuniversities; cino; duquesne; duquesneu; duquesneuniversity; fagmafia; gaystapo; hero; homosexualagenda; martyr; pittsburgh
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To: sittnick

The school is violating equal protection by discrimating against him for his religion.

It can, and should be, stripped of all federal funding by fairly clear federal law.


21 posted on 10/27/2005 1:48:40 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: sourcery

They brought this upon themselves by considering a Gay-Straight Alliance group. They should have said NO immediately since it IS catholic and parents do send their children to Catholic Schools for a Catholic Education. He used a poor choice of words but should have had his say. And besides, he posted his comments on a non-school webpage.


22 posted on 10/27/2005 1:48:49 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: RobbyS
"Turn it into a contract dispute."

Bingo! The cause of action here is breach of contract. Posting a general comment on a message board is not discrimination or harassment unless specifically directed at a specific person or persons. I also believe there would be a colorable defamation claim in there also.

23 posted on 10/27/2005 1:49:17 PM PDT by joebuck
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To: sittnick

Agreed. However, I do think his choice of "Subhuman" may have been rather undiplomatic. His freedom to speak is less expensive than the cost of his expression to the conservative and traditional way of life.

One can be very effective without resorting to the sharp utensils. It's all about perception.


24 posted on 10/27/2005 1:50:37 PM PDT by SQUID
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To: clee1
"No other animal species that I know of exhibits this type of deviant behavior"

I am aware of 3 animal species dogs, monkeys and horses that have homosexual relations
25 posted on 10/27/2005 1:51:41 PM PDT by The Louiswu (The coward will not fight, the fool refuses to see necessity the scoundrel puts himself ahead of all)
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To: Coleus

He is in trouble because of an online, non-school, website? So I guess the school could kick him out for attending a Catholic or evangelical church.


26 posted on 10/27/2005 1:51:59 PM PDT by feedback doctor (Dan Rather - guilty until proved innocent)
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To: conserv13
No other animal species that I know of exhibits this type of deviant behavior

Actually many of them do.

Proof? Excluding animals in captivity (zoos, domesticated pets and livestock).

Verified observation of continuing patterns of homosexual copulation in wild species in natural habitat - not misinterpreted displays of dominance. Never seen it and the gay lobby would be trumpeting it if existed.

27 posted on 10/27/2005 1:52:49 PM PDT by Valpal1 (Crush jihadists, drive collaborators before you, hear the lamentations of their media. Allahu FUBAR!)
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To: feedback doctor

Did not realize this was a Catholic school. They should have the right to decide who attends, and this fellow ought to be glad he's not going to be there.


28 posted on 10/27/2005 1:53:53 PM PDT by feedback doctor (Dan Rather - guilty until proved innocent)
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To: Coleus

Maybe it would have been better if he had stated that a person who engages in homosexual acts is sure to get a reservation at the Eternal Lake of Burning Hellfire Resort and Spa. I am sure it is listed on Expedia, Hotwire and Priceline.


29 posted on 10/27/2005 1:54:09 PM PDT by WV Mountain Mama ("Good? Bad? I'm the one with the gun." Ash Williams, "Army of Darkness")
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To: Coleus
They brought this upon themselves by considering a Gay-Straight Alliance group. They should have said NO immediately since it IS catholic and parents do send their children to Catholic Schools for a Catholic Education. He used a poor choice of words but should have had his say. And besides, he posted his comments on a non-school webpage.

All excellent reasons why they the university is acting badly, and why the student may have a case for breach of contract and/or libel. But none of it establishes or justifies a charge of Unconstitutional censorship of free speech.

30 posted on 10/27/2005 1:55:21 PM PDT by sourcery (Givernment: The way the average voter spells "government.")
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To: getitright
Name one male animal which inserts its organ into the anus of another male

Is that all there is to being homosexual? What if two males have other sexual contact besides the act you mentioned?

31 posted on 10/27/2005 1:55:23 PM PDT by conserv13
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To: clee1

It is a sad day when a person of common decency cannot even express his feelings about sexual perversions. I suppose the school would rather that we all be a bunch of perverts.

No one needs that kind of an education!


32 posted on 10/27/2005 1:55:38 PM PDT by tessalu (t)
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To: Valpal1
Exactly, and thanks, FRiend.

Captivity is a major factor: look at the prison system - non-homos seeking same-sex partners while in jail, then reverting to strictly hetero behavior after release.

The sex drive is (arguably) the strongest drive an animal has. When denied opposite-sex partners, many will resort to deviant behavior.
33 posted on 10/27/2005 1:56:31 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: Valpal1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_animals


34 posted on 10/27/2005 1:56:34 PM PDT by conserv13
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To: SQUID

Even the choice of language depends on the venue. If this had been in a classroom or a dorm room or some other place on campus, then the student might be charged with disruption. But if it is unrelated to them, by what right do they disciple him? That should be up to the webmaster.


35 posted on 10/27/2005 1:58:41 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: The Louiswu
I am aware of 3 animal species dogs, monkeys and horses that have homosexual relations

Really, they engage in consensual copulation? Or are you just interpreting pseudo-sexual displays of dominance as homosexual behavior?

36 posted on 10/27/2005 1:58:59 PM PDT by Valpal1 (Crush jihadists, drive collaborators before you, hear the lamentations of their media. Allahu FUBAR!)
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The study focuses on ten of the largest Catholic universities based on undergraduate enrollment. They include Boston College (employees reportedly gave $17,000 to Kerry and none to Bush), DePaul University (Kerry $7,950, Bush $250), Duquesne University (Kerry $1,350, Bush $200), Fordham University (Kerry $19,460, Bush $4,000), Loyola University of Chicago (Kerry $6,300, Bush $700), Marquette University (Kerry $1,200, Bush $1,200), St. John’s University of New York (Kerry $2,750, Bush $750), St. Louis University (Kerry $7,750, Bush $3,500) and the University of Notre Dame (Kerry $15,350, Bush $3,600).

William Presutti, associate dean of Duquesne University’s Graduate School of Business ($250 to Kerry);

Marian Wright Edelman, president, Children's Defense Fund; CDF promotes school health clinics that emphasize contraceptive services and abortion; Duquesne University in Pittsburgh.


37 posted on 10/27/2005 1:59:46 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: tessalu

Agreed - which is why I have a major problem with the American wing of the Catholic Church. They have let liberal ideology trump their ecclesiastical foundation.


38 posted on 10/27/2005 1:59:50 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: sittnick
He'll lose, universities always win theese sorts of fights.

Yeah, if by nothing else then just grinding this guy down to the point where he quits -- the fight and the university. And all will be as before.

39 posted on 10/27/2005 2:00:50 PM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: Coleus

subhuman not right - but ...

Perverted
deviant
abnormal
substandard
falting
disordered
etc - all correct

homosexuals cannot propagate their own species therefore they are a deviant, abnormal, substandard form of life.

For the leftist darwinian evolutionists that should be obvious.


40 posted on 10/27/2005 2:01:37 PM PDT by soltice
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