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The most successful society the world has ever known
The Guardian ^ | Polly Toynbee

Posted on 10/26/2005 1:03:31 AM PDT by F14 Pilot

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1 posted on 10/26/2005 1:03:34 AM PDT by F14 Pilot
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To: F14 Pilot
The most successful society the world has ever known

Yeah. Right. Be speaking Russian or German if it wasn't for the U.S. Yet another welfare state that has relied upon the United States for its national defense. If it actually had to build a real military, there'd be no money for the socialist model it embraces.

2 posted on 10/26/2005 1:08:06 AM PDT by peyton randolph (Warning! It is illegal to fatwah a camel in all 50 states)
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To: F14 Pilot
The Nordic model mixes welfare and economic success...

The Nordic model is also not appreciably heterogeneous.

America is.

Next.

3 posted on 10/26/2005 1:09:50 AM PDT by Prime Choice (I can open hearts and minds effortlessly. I have a hacksaw.)
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To: peyton randolph
If it wasn't for our food influences, they would have all died of ludefisk poisoning by now. God love a fatty rib-eye steak.
4 posted on 10/26/2005 1:10:41 AM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: peyton randolph
Yet another welfare state that has relied upon the United States for its national defense.

The Leftists note this reality and then spin it to say that this is why the U.S. shouldn't have any military.

Sounds funny, but it's not. Those idiots are dead serious.

5 posted on 10/26/2005 1:11:17 AM PDT by Prime Choice (I can open hearts and minds effortlessly. I have a hacksaw.)
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To: F14 Pilot
Where I stopped reading:

"The Nordic model...

6 posted on 10/26/2005 1:13:13 AM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: F14 Pilot
The Swedes seem to lack self-confidence, intimidated by global neocon warnings.

Hahahahaha.

7 posted on 10/26/2005 1:15:33 AM PDT by Eurotwit (WI)
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To: ScaniaBoy

Sverige ping


8 posted on 10/26/2005 1:19:43 AM PDT by Eurotwit (WI)
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To: F14 Pilot
What a shitbake. How the author of this article ever managed to chew through her restraints and make her way to pen and paper is beyond me.
9 posted on 10/26/2005 1:32:45 AM PDT by Jaysun (Democrats: We must become more effective at fooling people.)
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To: Prime Choice

For a political science class we were asked to design an optimally, socially just government and society.

My design was based on some of Plato's Republic, though not that you'd recognize it.

I postulated two separate societies engaged in a symbiotic manner. The inner society, or the socialist society was one in which those who chose to be taken care of by the government could opt for and voluntarily give up certain freedoms and rights, with the understanding that they could always leave and regain those freedoms and rights.

The second society would be the capitalistic society, full of energy and productive. Now there are always goods that a well managed socialist society can produce cheaper than a well developed capitalist society, one of those being food production, and other more menial tasks.

In the socialist commune - the work day is relatively short at only 6 hours, the entertainment is bland, but variety of goods available is equally bland, but life is otherwise comfortable. You get up, you go to work, you go home to your family. Children raised in this first society would reach their majority at 16, after which point they can choose to leave. Education here is equal to the education in the second society.

As a rule, the first society cannot have the variety or the high lifestyle possible in the second society, but for many whose only goal is to get by in life, it is an idyllic existence. For those who live in the second society, life is an adventure. Self empowerment is the buzzword, and the sky is the limit.

It would be noteworthy that the first society can only vote in local elections and cannot in any way affect politics outside their communes. The second society residents set national policy. If the commune residents don't like it, they can come out of there, work hard, pay taxes and vote.


10 posted on 10/26/2005 1:36:49 AM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: F14 Pilot
The most successful society the world has ever known

I Thought it was France!

Next is Palestine!

Sarcasm...

11 posted on 10/26/2005 1:55:57 AM PDT by ChristianDefender (If you can't fight with M16/M4.. then use prayer, if not just choose whose side are You!)
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To: ChristianDefender
I Thought it was French!

Next is Palestinian! Sarcasm...

12 posted on 10/26/2005 1:58:50 AM PDT by ChristianDefender (If you can't fight with M16/M4.. then use prayer, if not just choose whose side are You!)
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To: F14 Pilot

Nice with praise, could have come from a different source though.


13 posted on 10/26/2005 2:19:44 AM PDT by fdsa2 (www.maktskifte06.se)
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To: fdsa2

She didn't like Moderaterna though :-)


14 posted on 10/26/2005 2:33:47 AM PDT by Eurotwit (WI)
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To: Eurotwit

She wouldn´t would she? She will though when we win next year and she sees our new policies. The Swedish conservatives have gone through some tough times but the main bulk of the work is now done. We are in much better position than for example the UK Tories.

The Conservative Alliance will win the next election bank on it.


15 posted on 10/26/2005 2:45:18 AM PDT by fdsa2 (www.maktskifte06.se)
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To: fdsa2

I hope so, even though I still think that Moderaterna, like our own Høyre, basically is just another social democratic party. Albeit, a tad more sensible than the real thing. Just a tad...

That said, good luck with the elections.

It would be comforting to finally see the back of Goran Persson :-)

Cheers.


16 posted on 10/26/2005 2:54:51 AM PDT by Eurotwit (WI)
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To: F14 Pilot
The most successful society the world has ever known

The Roman Republic lasted about four and a half centuries. Imperial Rome (Western Empire) lasted about the same length of time. The good old USA has lasted (basically unchanged) for over two centuries.
17 posted on 10/26/2005 3:00:40 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: coconutt2000

Nice exercise. But why do you have to impose rules such as lifestyles and election?


18 posted on 10/26/2005 3:23:14 AM PDT by paudio (Four More Years..... Let's Use Them Wisely...)
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To: peyton randolph
What do you call a society that manipulates another to spend its blood and treasure protecting it?

What do you call a society, which until now has managed its borders much better than its protector has?

What do you call a society which has for the most part stopped urban sprawl, avoided the horrors of population growth, and maintained a standard of living with a sharply reduced work week?

What do you call a society which for the most part has suceeded in avoiding the advantages of "diversity" and accords its populace a quality of life which compares, shall we charitable say "favorably" with Detroit?

If you do not like the socialism of Skandahoovia, you share an antipathy with me, but you had better first acknowledge the sucesses of a culture which, until recently, has eschewed multiculturalism in application if not in shibboleth and succeeded as well as any culture on earth in provisioning its citizens with comforts and quality of life. We had, both of us, better acknowledge that in a small, undiviersified, educated, society, such as is represented by the Skandavians, many of our assumptions as conservatives are challenged.

Let us answer the challenges.

19 posted on 10/26/2005 3:26:29 AM PDT by nathanbedford (Lose your borders, lose your citizenship; lose your citizenship, lose your Bill of Rights)
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To: F14 Pilot
government risks losing to that most lethal human instinct - boredom. The age-old "time for a change" impulse may replace a successful government with something deliberately ill-defined on the right, just for the sake of a fresh face.

This is how Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton were elected, plus Clinton had the advantage of twice running against tired old men.

20 posted on 10/26/2005 3:34:30 AM PDT by libertylover (Liberal: A blatant liar who likes to spend other people's money.)
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