Conservative Crackup; How the neocons have developed a political exit strategy

newsweek ^ | Oct 22 05 | Howard Fineman

[I8NY]

syme alert

[penelopesire]

Sleep tight...and when u wake up looking for my ping..please give me a link to this CBS article...I can hardly wait to read what Mary Mapes had to say way back then (rolling eyes)...LOL

Frankly..to the Scarlets..I don't give a dammn! The enemy of our enemy is our friend until it is time to take them out. Sounds like good foreign policy to me. Hell, it won the whole COLD WAR and defeated COMMUNIST EXPANSION!!
If u want to second guess this country's every move and wring your hands at every defining moment that has defeated our enemies..go ahead. I will go down saying SEMPER FI..KICK ASS!!

[Howlin]

Heh.

[Time4Atlas2Shrug]

Please take a breath. In my earlier post I never criticized the fact that we sold them anything. I merely stated it. I haven't second guessed the strategy.

Like I said, if you can find something that contradicts what I gave you, please link it. I have no desire to argue it, nor do I need a particular conclusion. It is just what I have consistently read.

That being said, I feel no need to defend my position when we seem to be in agreement on the most important points.

I gave you the date and website so you should have no trouble finding the story.

[penelopesire]

LOL... Give em hell peach!! U r one of the best of the best Freepers!!

[Petronski]

Howard Fineman?
LOLOLOLOL

[penelopesire]

OK..fair enough. I do fly off the handle at times...lol.
However, I am pretty busy and will not go lookin for ur link unless u provide it or I perceive u r the enemy..lol

Since we are on the same page (especially an honor for things AYN RAND)..u get a pass by virtue of ur 'name' and my lazy nature tonight...lol.

[Petronski]

After the pummella-pummella-pummella you delivered, I see Neville's gone back to her pathetic hidey-hole.

Much like Saddam Hussein himself.




LOL

[Treader]

Hey, has anyone ever seen Zinn or Fineman the same AO? Just wonderin' and "puttin' it out there."

[driftless]

You mean that mess where that madman, terrorist-supporting, mass murderer Saddam Hussein was deposed and Iraq is the first Islamic Arab country to have a democracy? Oh yeah, that "mess".

[driftless]

"article complete crap". Ditto. It would be astonishing news to arch-war supporter Fred Barnes that the WS is opposed to the war. Fineman is dreaming.

[driftless]

There a threats and there are immediate threats. The ex-Soviet Union was a long-range threat which we why allied with them in WWII to defeat the immediate threats Germany and Japan. To say that Hussein was absolutely no threat to us is naive. Legitimate positions can be made for not going to war, but to say that nothing Hussein did was not a threat to us in any way is not a position that can be defended. Remember Hussein tried to have a president of the U.S murdered. That by itself (there's a host of other reasons, mostly his support of Islamo-terrorism ) was grounds for ousting him.

[metesky]

(we sold them to him)

Check your premises there, sir.

[airborne]

I saw the word 'neo-con' and the first thing I thought was, "churchillbuff?"

And surprise, surprise, I was right!

[Peach]

LOL. Saddam's hidey hole. Hah!

[kaktuskid]

5 words..."IRAQ LIBERATION ACT OF 1998"

[rob777]

With the fall of Communism in Europe and Russia, the old anti-Communist wing of the conservative movement lost its role.






That is no longer true, as Islamofascism is now emerging as totalitarian threat. A large number of conservatives who support the WOT are from the this group. (Neocons just do not have the numbers to provide the broad based support that the WOT enjoyed/enjoys)

[rob777]

Fineman's article is based on the false premise that the "neo-conservatives" are actually conservative. The reality is that they are nothing more than big-government globalists who have no real principles at all.





You are absolutely right. When they broke with the left over the issue of opposing communism, they ended up attaching themselves to the conservative movement. It was an accident of history that they came to be associated with the conservative movement, which opposed big government social engineering both at home and abroad. The necessity of opposing totalitarianism abroad caused conservatives (Most of them anyway) to adopt a more aggressive foriegn policy. The communist infiltration on the left led them to back away from their historic Wilsonian global social engineering in favor of a more overtly Marxist based approach. While I think that we should welcome the support of the neocons on areas of agreement (what few there are), we should not make the mistake of viewing them as part of the conservative movement. What we are seeing today is a clarification of what conservatism. Allowing "Corporatists" and "Neocons" to be lumped in with a movement whose core was a commitment to limited government and an opposition to top down government led social engineering, bastardizes the meaning of the word.