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Case against aides (doesn't have leg to stand on. (Valerie Plame case) (MUST READ: NO CRIME)
Chicago Sun Times ^ | Oct. 25, 2005 | MICHAEL BARONE

Posted on 10/25/2005 9:11:39 PM PDT by FairOpinion

The problem is that the narrative line being offered up by the press is almost entirely wrong. And it is almost certainly true neither of the statutes that might cover the situation -- the Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982 and the Espionage Act of 1917 -- was violated, at least by anyone in the administration.

Consider the Intelligence Identities Protection Act. To violate it, you must disclose the name of a covert agent who has served abroad within the last five years, while knowing that that person was a covert agent. It does not appear that Plame was a covert agent who had served abroad within five years of the disclosure of her name to reporters. She was a desk officer at CIA headquarters at Langley at that time. This law was narrowly drafted and intended only to apply to people who purposefully endangered covert agents abroad. That is clearly not the case here.

The Espionage Act is less narrowly drafted. But it does set out specific things that cannot be disclosed -- ''information concerning any vessel, aircraft, work of defense, Navy yard,'' etc. The list does not include identity of CIA agents -- there weren't any in 1917 -- which is why the drafters of the 1982 IIPA felt the need for a new law to protect a very limited class of covert operatives.

So it seems clear to me that an indictment under either of these statutes would be a gross injustice.

To visit the rigors of criminal indictment, trial and punishment on someone who has done nothing that is specifically forbidden is unjust -- the very definition of injustice.

But why should there be indictments if there was no crime?

(Excerpt) Read more at suntimes.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: barone; cialeak; indictments; michaelbarone; nocrime; plame; plamegate; valerieplame; wilson
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To: Howlin
You've been here 90 minutes and already it's "we?"

LOL and noted.

81 posted on 10/25/2005 10:29:28 PM PDT by Dolphy
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To: FairOpinion

An Arkansas grand jury was ready to indict Hillary Clinton and Ken Star Balked. He thought it was to political. Does Fitz want to follow the right or wrong path?


82 posted on 10/25/2005 10:34:06 PM PDT by Brimack34
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To: Mo1
2 & 3

Thanks, that's where I am as well.

83 posted on 10/25/2005 10:34:57 PM PDT by Dolphy
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To: Dolphy

check this post out

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1509335/posts?page=14#14


84 posted on 10/25/2005 10:36:25 PM PDT by Mo1
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To: McGavin999

Telling him, 'don't print that story' would have been pretty clear confirmation, now wouldn't it?

Further, the CIA says they asked Novak not to publish it, and they've barred Plame from talking about what she did for national security reasons.

Sorry, I'm not buying the idea she wasn't undercover and the CIA and DOJ are just going wild with this whole thing.


85 posted on 10/25/2005 10:39:16 PM PDT by Brillo_Breaks
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To: Brimack34

Fitz is acting as if not remembering is a crime,if a Republican doesn't remember, but it was OK for Bill and Hillary to "not remember" things.

"Legal sources say he studied inconsistencies and forgotten facts from witnesses, including Rove, whose early testimony differed from Cooper's recollections. Rove, who spoke to the grand jury four times, changed his story after failing to mention that he discussed Wilson and his wife with the Time correspondent."

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002579643_fitzgerald24.html


86 posted on 10/25/2005 10:41:39 PM PDT by FairOpinion (CA Props: Vote for Reform: YES on 73-78, NO on 79 & 80, NO on Y)
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To: FairOpinion

And all this from a grand jury leak on a leak case. I am confused as heck.


87 posted on 10/25/2005 10:45:50 PM PDT by Brimack34
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To: Brillo_Breaks

Another interesting article about how "covert" Valerie was --- NOT, examining the specifics.

How Covert Was Valerie Plame?

http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2005/10/how_covert_was_.html


And no matter how you want to claim she was covert, the IIPA is very clear and definite and the FACT is that Plame was NOT serving abroad and haven't for at least 5 years.

"Intelligence Identities Protection Act. To violate it, you must disclose the name of a covert agent who has served abroad within the last five years, while knowing that that person was a covert agent. It does not appear that Plame was a covert agent who had served abroad within five years of the disclosure of her name to reporter "


88 posted on 10/25/2005 10:49:24 PM PDT by FairOpinion (CA Props: Vote for Reform: YES on 73-78, NO on 79 & 80, NO on Y)
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To: FairOpinion

You're wasting your time with that.

That one, IMO, is posting from either the CIA, the DNC, or Fitzgerald's office.


89 posted on 10/25/2005 10:51:56 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Peach

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1508920/posts?page=42#42

see post 42 here...


90 posted on 10/25/2005 10:53:21 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand islam understand evil - read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf see link My Page)
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To: Howlin

More like the DNC. ;)


91 posted on 10/25/2005 10:53:44 PM PDT by FairOpinion (CA Props: Vote for Reform: YES on 73-78, NO on 79 & 80, NO on Y)
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To: Mo1

Now that's interesting. During the Clinton investigation the media and Clinton's people made it a circus...now we just have the media filling that role. Behind the scenes there seem to be some top notch people...and I will not be at all surprised if they land in a different place than where the media expects to greet them.


92 posted on 10/25/2005 10:59:33 PM PDT by Dolphy
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To: Peach
What I've never understood is how Wilson knew about the forged documents so many months before it was known the documents were forged.

He had lunch with Dan Rather.

93 posted on 10/25/2005 11:00:08 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: martin_fierro

remember this folks,, Barone was the only one who saw the truth on election night 2004,, the guy's sharp

he and Fred Barnes are the best


94 posted on 10/25/2005 11:46:17 PM PDT by Lib-Lickers 2
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To: MJY1288

do we know who all has been called before this grand jury? wilson, cia people, others?


95 posted on 10/25/2005 11:50:29 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: WoofDog123

I think it was mostly Bush admin people -- they had Rove in front of the grand jury some four times.

It's a witch hunt.


96 posted on 10/26/2005 12:28:55 AM PDT by FairOpinion (CA Props: Vote for Reform: YES on 73-78, NO on 79 & 80, NO on Y)
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To: Brillo_Breaks
We need to get our heads around this now...

[ Tonto voice ]
"Who's this we, White Man?"
[ / Jay Silverheels ]

97 posted on 10/26/2005 12:32:26 AM PDT by backhoe (A Nuke for every Kook- what a Clinton "legacy...")
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To: FairOpinion

There is an extraordinary amount of real, exagerrated, or fabricated leak stories being released by the MSM ahead of these indictments (or non-indictment). I believe these leaks may be intended to 1) put pressure on Fitz to indict or else look like he caved into pressure from the Bushies, and 2) create the false impression that Bush's people actually broke the law so that this case still damages Bush and the GOP if Fitz doesn't indict anyone in the Bush Administration. This looks like a major DNC propaganda campaign, and I find it interesting that crazy Howard Dean said he "wouldn't accept the prosecutor's decision" if Fitz doesn't indict anyone in the Bush Admin. This is a very strange Clintonesque case. I liked Washington politics more before the Klintoons showed up in Washington.


98 posted on 10/26/2005 12:38:23 AM PDT by carl in alaska (Blog blog bloggin' on heaven's door.....Kerry's speeches are just one big snore.)
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To: FairOpinion
I'll tell you something, if Fitz does indict one or more top Bush Admin people then I will start to wonder if someone did get to him and intimidate him in some way. I rarely support conspiracy theories, but if he goes after the Bushies really hard here then I would start to seriously consider that possibility. I find it hard to believe that Rove or Libby, following the advice of top attorneys, could have actually committed perjury or obstruction.

There's a strange story in the LA Times too about Fitz's people questioning Wilson's neighbors again TODAY about whether they knew that Plame worked for the CIA. That's strikes me as very odd--either Fitz toying with the MSM or perhaps Fitz is nervous about a weak indictment that he's filing. I hope he's just trying to confuse the MSM.

99 posted on 10/26/2005 12:46:56 AM PDT by carl in alaska (Blog blog bloggin' on heaven's door.....Kerry's speeches are just one big snore.)
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To: carl in alaska
I rarely support conspiracy theories, but if he goes after the Bushies really hard here then I would start to seriously consider that possibility.

This is it:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1508146/posts

Is Valerie Plame the new Deep Throat?

100 posted on 10/26/2005 12:49:39 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Gloria Borger is Andrea Mitchell on Peyote)
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