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Indictments Coming Tomorrow; Targets Received Letters Today (Latest Lib Rumor)
thewashingtonnote.com ^ | October 25, 2005 | Steve Clemons

Posted on 10/25/2005 3:06:54 PM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

An uber-insider source has just reported the following to TWN:

1. 1-5 indictments are being issued. The source feels that it will be towards the higher end.

2. The targets of indictment have already received their letters.

3. The indictments will be sealed indictments and "filed" tomorrow.

4. A press conference is being scheduled for Thursday.

The shoe is dropping.

More soon.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abcfraud; abcleaks; cialeak; fishing; fitzgerald; fitzmas; frogmarch; hillarysbirthday; leakyleaks; plame; plamegame; plugtheleak; rover; rovian; rumors; russert; spittleball; wilson
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To: Perdogg

I still do not understand the discussion we had last night - how can he provide notes that say X, then testify that X didn't occur (the Cheney notes). He could have made a mistake, but indicting him for that is at the discretion of the prosecutor - so I imagine its for that.


181 posted on 10/25/2005 4:24:44 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Howlin

THANK YOU for that!!


182 posted on 10/25/2005 4:25:28 PM PDT by STARWISE (The liberals and terrorists belong to the same club: THE HATE AND DESTROY AMERICA CLUB.)
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To: oceanview

He still has to prove paragraph (a).


183 posted on 10/25/2005 4:26:01 PM PDT by Perdogg ("Facts are stupid things." - President Ronald Wilson Reagan)
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To: oceanview

I still don't believe Fitzgerals is "gettable." If he indicts anyone, I'm convinced that he's convinced someone knowingingly committed a crime. God Bless America and this administration!!


184 posted on 10/25/2005 4:28:08 PM PDT by STARWISE (The liberals and terrorists belong to the same club: THE HATE AND DESTROY AMERICA CLUB.)
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To: STARWISE

I predict Nixon will finally get his indictment.


185 posted on 10/25/2005 4:28:20 PM PDT by Fresh Wind (It is Watergate yet? Is it Watergate yet?)
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To: oceanview
it just goes to show that you must exercise any and all of your legal rights and priviliges when dealing with any prosecution.

Unfortunately I came to recently see the truth in that myself - prosecutions are NOT in any way a search for the truth. In fact, if a prosecutor comes across something truthful that contradicts his prosecution he will lie & obstruct to cover it up. Never mistake a prosecution for a search for the truth.

186 posted on 10/25/2005 4:28:28 PM PDT by Steven W.
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To: Arizona Carolyn
Does Fitzgerald feel that he HAS to indict someone to prove the last two years of wasted money was worth it?

Fitzgerald is a Demonrat. Why should we expect ethics or standards of any kind?

187 posted on 10/25/2005 4:29:36 PM PDT by peyton randolph (Warning! It is illegal to fatwah a camel in all 50 states)
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To: Steven W.
Watch the Democrats overplay this BADLY and lose seats next year as a consequence.
188 posted on 10/25/2005 4:31:26 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: theFIRMbss
There is a whole group of tin foil Freepers who think Hillary Clinton runs the whole world

I used to think these people were nuts for imagining that enough people actually liked Hillary enough to elect her president.. Now I'm not so sure.

189 posted on 10/25/2005 4:32:14 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: samadams2000
I've seen several cryptic posts from you regarding R-u-s-s-e-r-t
and indictments. Care to elaborate on inside dope,
or are you just guessing, like everyone else?
190 posted on 10/25/2005 4:35:40 PM PDT by MamaLucci (Mutually assured destruction STILL keeps the Clinton administration criminals out of jail.)
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To: MamaLucci

Mama,

Believe R-U-S-S-E-RT will surface because of discussions with Libby and his "close" association with "the Wilsons".

I could see it in his eyes the last two months.


191 posted on 10/25/2005 4:39:25 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Nothing fills the void of a passing hurricane better than government)
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To: samadams2000

you missed a dash in the spelling of R-U-S-S-E-R-T this time. you are slipping up.


192 posted on 10/25/2005 4:40:48 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Mo1; Howlin; All
This is not new news; it's included in Fitzgerald's website .. I don't know if the parameters of his investigation were expanded or not, but here's some pertinent legalese from oral arguments re Miller, Cooper and Time, from Dec. 8, 2004

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The information sought by the subpoenas is appropriately limited to specific topics and time periods as required by 28 C.F.R. §§ 50.10(f)(4) and 50.10(f)(6).

Specifically, the information sought is focused on testimony and documents related to communications occurring during a limited time period, which specifically concern former Ambassador Joseph Wilson; the 2002 trip by former Ambassador Wilson to Niger; Valerie Plame Wilson; or Iraqi efforts to obtain uranium.

Given the limited scope of the information sought by the subpoenas and the general nature of the investigation, it is obvious that there is a real possibility that the information sought will be relevant and of substantial importance to the investigation, as required by Ss 50.10(f)

There is also reason to believe that the information sought by the subpoenas is essential to a successful investigation, particularly with respect to guilt or innocence. See id.

As discussed above, the subpoenas to Cooper, Time, and Miller seek testimony and documents relating to communications with government officials (a single, specified official in Miller’s case) regarding former Ambassador Wilson, Valerie Plame, and Iraqi attempts to purchase uranium.

This information bears a direct relationship to the grand jury’s investigation and is expected to constitute direct evidence of guilt or innocence. By definition, evidence needed to establish guilt or innocence is "essential" to a criminal case, and is not merely "peripheral" or "speculative" as those terms are used in 28 C.F.R. § 50.10(f)(1).

Moreover, prior to the issuance of the challenged subpoenas, the grand jury conducted an extensive investigation, and all reasonable efforts were made to obtain relevant information from alternative sources. Therefore, the subpoenas meet the requirements of both §§ 50.10(b) and (f) of the DOJ guidelines.

Appellants do not contest the fact that the Special Counsel attempted to negotiate with them and their counsel in order to obtain their voluntary cooperation before the subpoenas were issued in compliance with DOJ guideline § 50.10(c), or that the subpoenas were issued only after they refused to cooperate.

Thus, in light of the facts set forth in the Special Counsel’s ex parte affidavits, it is clear that the district court did not abuse its discretion in determining that, even if the DOJ Guidelines were enforceable by appellants through motions to quash, compliance with the subpoenas would be required because the subpoenas met and exceeded those guidelines.

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If Fitzgerald's investigation has now expanded to include perjury, as some close followers of the case suspect, ((per WashPost article)) that sharpens the dilemma for the journalists involved.

It's one thing to protect the identity of a confidential source, even if that person may have violated the law by disclosing the identity of a covert intelligence agent. But it is arguably quite a different matter if the reporter has reason to believe a source lied to a grand jury. Does a reporter's confidentiality agreement extend to protecting a cover-up?

Though the perjury issue hasn't surfaced in most discussions of the case, it's buried between the lines of the hundreds of pages of memos, briefs and other legal documents. Unless perjury is one of Fitzgerald's concerns, his tireless pursuit of Cooper and Miller is difficult to understand. As was said of Melville's "Moby-Dick," this is more than a story about a fish.

193 posted on 10/25/2005 4:50:03 PM PDT by STARWISE (The liberals and terrorists belong to the same club: THE HATE AND DESTROY AMERICA CLUB.)
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To: STARWISE

That doesn't should like Rove is the target


194 posted on 10/25/2005 4:53:35 PM PDT by Mo1
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To: STARWISE
...this is more than a story about a fish.

I don't recall a fish at all, but there was plenty of rope.

195 posted on 10/25/2005 4:56:36 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: Howlin
Haven't you heard, all the talking heads say not one word of any of this has leaked from Fitzgerald.

Doesn't matter, it's illegal to leak from a GJ, he should find out who is doing the leaking and indict them for breaking the law.

196 posted on 10/25/2005 5:00:29 PM PDT by McGavin999 (We're a First World Country with a Third World Press (Except for Hume & Garrett ))
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To: peyton randolph

He was also put into place by the number 2 guy at justice... proves, once again, that in one respect Hillary was smart... she fired all the Republicans at Justice and put all her own people in there... this President could have used a page from that particular book.


197 posted on 10/25/2005 5:01:23 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

I got my letter


198 posted on 10/25/2005 5:05:41 PM PDT by 12chachacha
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To: peyton randolph

He is not a Democrat .. he's been purposely registered as "having no affiliation" since he lived in NY.


199 posted on 10/25/2005 5:07:12 PM PDT by STARWISE (The liberals and terrorists belong to the same club: THE HATE AND DESTROY AMERICA CLUB.)
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To: oceanview
yes, but to be serious for a moment - there is a chance of some kind of "combo" indictment - administration people plus members of the media. the spin on that, if it materializes, will be interesting.

I don't know the law, oceanview, but have a question: what about "unindicted co-conspirators?"

Has that been mentioned?
200 posted on 10/25/2005 5:10:31 PM PDT by hummingbird (Think I'll google for a while.....)
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