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Wolfowitz Calls For End To Farm Subsidies(what's so free about "free trade?")
Free Internet Press ^ | October 24, 2005 | Intellpuke

Posted on 10/25/2005 9:32:46 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer

Rich countries must abandon farm subsidies and give more market access to poor states if the Doha trade talks are to succeed, the head of the World Bank said today. Bank chief Paul Wolfowitz made his appeal amid fears that the World Trade Organization (WTO) meeting of ministers in Hong Kong was in jeopardy because of the absence of progress on farm subsidies.

Writing in the Financial Times, Wolfowitz said the need to reduce protection on agriculture was a central element of the Doha talks. He warned that unless serious concessions were made by all sides, the Doha talks would fail "and the people who will suffer the most are the world's poor".

Wolfowitz, formerly a leading Pentagon official, called on the U.S. to step up efforts to cut farm subsidies and urged the European Union to do more on market access for products from poor countries. He added, however, that developing countries also had to open their services and manufacturing markets and lower their own agricultural protection.

Wolfowitz said it was not morally justifiable for rich countries to spend $280 billion (£158 billion) - nearly the total gross domestic product of Africa and four times the total amount of foreign aid - on support for agricultural producers.

The current round of WTO talks stalled in Geneva after wealthy countries failed to reach an agreement on lowering domestic agriculture subsidies and tariffs earlier this month.

Mark Vaile, the Australian trade minister and deputy prime minister, said the E.U. and "particularly France" were responsible for the deadlock because they had refused to accept a plan to cut European farm aid.

"They need to understand they are threatening the future of global trade and cheating millions of the world's poor out of new hope," Vaile said. "It's not enough for them to provide aid and debt relief when the benefits of liberalizing trade are so much greater."

An agreement in Hong Kong is supposed to pave the way for the conclusion of the Doha development round next year, but deadlock on farm subsidies has threatened to scupper the entire process.

The E.U. - generally seen as the villain of the piece by developing countries and the U.S. - is working on a second and final offer this week. The move follows what the U.S. described as its "bold" proposal for trimming the most damaging of its multi-billion dollar agricultural subsidies by up to 60% and phasing them out within a decade.

Development activists say the U.S. scheme is double-edged because it insists on poor countries opening up their manufacturing sectors, a step that could lead to the sectors' collapse in the face of foreign competition.

The U.S. plan has put the E.U. on the spot, and it has struggled to come up with a unified position. France believes the latest round of common agricultural policy reforms - which cut the link between the level of subsidy and the amount farmers produce - went far enough, and is refusing to budge.

The idea of cancelling the Hong Kong meeting has been proposed, but Australia has rejected it. "I don't believe the meeting should be postponed, even if the E.U. does not put forward a better proposal," Vaile said. "I believe the E.U. and France would need to account for their actions before the parliament of world opinion."

Wolfowitz increased pressure on the industrialized world when he said the temporary discomfort of industrialized countries in getting rid of farm subsidies was "nothing compared with the daily discomfort and deprivation faced by the world's poorest people".


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: doharound; eu; farm; freetrade; globalsocialism; hongkong; nationalsecurity; redistribuion; socialism; wealth; wolfowitz; worldbank; wto
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To: hedgetrimmer
He is not defending America now.

He's not defending subsidies, you mean.

21 posted on 10/25/2005 10:11:34 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: oceanview

"he's a jerk"

Maybe, maybe not. I'd rather argue facts and theories and not get into a mud-slinging exercise

"the dollar is far too strong"

I agree

"I don't want to see the entire US agriculture industry decimated so we all have to eat crap imported 3rd world food."

You have a point there. However, I suspect we won't have to do that - it will be family farms that lose, and corporate farms in the US (and Australia) that win. And I will win since my taxes won't go to subsidize anyone.


22 posted on 10/25/2005 10:18:09 AM PDT by razoroccam (Then in the name of Allah, they will let loose the Germs of War (http://www.booksurge.com))
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To: Sonny M
Wolfowitz, like his reasons or hate his reasons, might finally get something positive done if he can get the US to dump subsidies.

Wolfowitz doesn't hate subsidies. He just wants to subsidize the "global poor". Again look at his rhetoric. It is disingenous to think he has the needs of the American people to maintain a representative government at heart. Instead he is trying to change US domestic policy from his position in a global socialist organization. Doesn't that bother you?

BTW the subject of the thread is the marxist rhetoric of "free trade" not subsidies.
23 posted on 10/25/2005 10:22:14 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer

and so long as he and the other DC honchos are dining at the finest restaurants, if the rest of us are eating vegetables sowed with human fecal matter and sprayed with pesticides - who cares.


24 posted on 10/25/2005 10:25:07 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: TChris
Our elected representatives are free to ignore them

Yes but our unelected bureacrats are determined to implement this policy, so please don't tell us these people have no effect on the US.
25 posted on 10/25/2005 10:27:16 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: razoroccam
That is why Wolfowitz is correct in arguing that subsidies are against free markets.

The topic is the marxist rhetoric of "free trade". If you read the article, Wolfowitz is arguing that American policy pits rich against poor, he does not talk about whether the "poor countries" can compete in "free market". In fact the sum of the article is that "poor countries" cannot compete so the US must change its domestic policy to give them the advantange. So you must think that the definition of "free trade" is to give welfare to poor countries through trade, is that right? Because that is what Wolfowitz says we must do.
26 posted on 10/25/2005 10:31:26 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer

I agree wholeheartedly. You can't outsource food production. If the culture of African governments was better, there wouldn't be any problems. Remember Zimbabwe used to EXPORT food.

The problem lies with the governments of the poorer countries not subsidies. Subsidies actually keep food cheap in the respective countries so the poor of those countries can easily afford food. If subsidies are taken away, farmers stop growing as much food in order to raise prices. Who gets hurt? The poor.

Wolfowitz sounds like an international socialist.


27 posted on 10/25/2005 10:31:44 AM PDT by Barney Gumble (http://purveyors-of-truth.blogspot.com/)
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To: hedgetrimmer; Iowa Granny; hispanarepublicana


28 posted on 10/25/2005 10:32:41 AM PDT by FOG724 (http://gravenimagemusic.com/)
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To: 1rudeboy
He is defending subsidies to "poor countries" using the marxist rhetoric the World Bank favors.

Wolfowitz said it was not morally justifiable for rich countries to spend $280 billion (£158 billion) - nearly the total gross domestic product of Africa and four times the total amount of foreign aid - on support for agricultural producers.

The topic is the marxist rhetoric of "free trade" in case you missed it.
29 posted on 10/25/2005 10:33:25 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer

That's not the way I read the article. He slams Europe, not the US. Especially France.


30 posted on 10/25/2005 10:34:23 AM PDT by razoroccam (Then in the name of Allah, they will let loose the Germs of War (http://www.booksurge.com))
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To: Republic If You Can Keep It

Yep. Article I, Penumbra XIX.


31 posted on 10/25/2005 10:35:43 AM PDT by SAJ
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To: Barney Gumble
France introduced global trade to Ethiopia's farming economy in the 1960's and 1970's. They contracted with Ethiopian farmers to produce peanuts for peanut oil for export. This had the affect, in the words of the "free traders" of distorting the Ag economy to favor export production. The result was the very well known famines in Ethiopia, because production of product for the local economy ceased and food products became very costly for the average Ethiopian.

The governments of the poor countries did not represent their own people very well in this case, I guess they felt the " temporary discomfort" their citizens felt was less important than growing peanuts for export.
32 posted on 10/25/2005 10:40:08 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer
Please look at the marxist rhetoric he is using

That doesn't make him wrong.

Most Americans can see...


Appealing to the collective opinion to determine what is right?  Isn't that Marxist rhetoric?
33 posted on 10/25/2005 10:42:01 AM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: razoroccam
That's not the way I read the article.

You missed:
Rich countries vs poor states?
and
the people who will suffer the most are the world's poor"
and
not morally justifiable for rich countries (to spend their own money)
and
cheating millions of the world's poor out of new hope
and
"nothing compared with the daily discomfort and deprivation faced by the world's poorest people".


The article is a study in class warfare.
34 posted on 10/25/2005 10:44:38 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: gcruse
That doesn't make him wrong.

Yes it does. The last thing we need in this country is international marxists to tell us how to run our domestic economy, we have plenty marxists of our own. But it begs the question about why "free traders" have to use marxism to push their philosophy and how they have the nerve to call their philosophy "free trade" when it is just another wealth redistribution system to "poor countries" and not free at all.
35 posted on 10/25/2005 10:47:54 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer
Wolfowitz increased pressure on the industrialized world when he said the temporary discomfort of industrialized countries in getting rid of farm subsidies was "nothing compared with the daily discomfort and deprivation faced by the world's poorest people".

Agricultural subsidies assure that there is a surplus supply of staple commodities.
While this may be economicly "inefficient", it is preferable to "free market" conditions which are cyclicly subject to shortage conditions.

Wolfowitz should be aware of this, and is willing to subject the industrialized world to the same food "deprivation faced by the world's poorest people" simply to reap profit from the skyrocketing prices that occur during food shortages.

IMHO, such treachory is essentially a crime against humanity.
And Wolfowitz deserves the consequences which that term implies.

36 posted on 10/25/2005 10:49:44 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Willie Green
While this may be economicly "inefficient", it is preferable to "free market" conditions which are cyclicly subject to shortage conditions.

This is the key thing. Cyclical shortages of food will not help much market economy and will destablize the political system. In this point promoters of "free" market show their lack of imagination.

37 posted on 10/25/2005 10:56:11 AM PDT by A. Pole (Ivan Boesky: "What good is the moon, if you can't buy or sell it?")
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To: hedgetrimmer
This is marketing. Fiscal conservatives (of which I am one)want to end subsidies cause it is bad economics and a poor use of tax dollars. Not to mention unconstitutional.

If Liberals want to get rid of subsidies cause of fairness...fine I'll take it. Lets just end them.

38 posted on 10/25/2005 10:58:03 AM PDT by DoSomethingAboutIt
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To: hedgetrimmer
It is disingenous to think he has the needs of the American people to maintain a representative government at heart. Instead he is trying to change US domestic policy from his position in a global socialist organization. Doesn't that bother you? ,

He can think butterflies will solve world hunger if it suits my ends. His reasons or rhetoric are immaterial, my priority is subsidies and cutting them, whatever does that, and whatever fooolish logic is used that accomplishes that is fine with me.

BTW the subject of the thread is the marxist rhetoric of "free trade" not subsidies.

A big part of Wolfowitz claim happens to be cutting subsidies in the name of free trade, so Subsisides, by his arguement is part of this thread.

Granted, while I like lower prices and more choices as much as the next guy, I'm more concerned with cutting wastefull marxist subsidies, if the logic that is used to do that is also marxist, fine, as long as those subsidies get cut.

And no, I don't care what Wolfowitz thinks or says as long as he gets the desired results I want.

Sometimes the ends do justify the means.

39 posted on 10/25/2005 11:08:09 AM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Sonny M
my priority is subsidies and cutting them, whatever does that, and whatever fooolish logic is used

And whatever the results will be?

40 posted on 10/25/2005 11:10:18 AM PDT by A. Pole (Ivan Boesky: "What good is the moon, if you can't buy or sell it?")
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