Posted on 10/25/2005 6:27:17 AM PDT by StoneGiant
And we didn't win.
Joe Wilson (and now the wife as well) are rapidly becoming the new liberal icons of whistle-blowing virtue (re: "Is Valerie Plame the new Deep Throat?", The American Thinker. And this from a conservative website). The myth has been spun and perpetuated ad nauseum through the liberal press for months now and there is no going back. The impending indictments from Fitzgerald, whether legitimate or not, will seal the deal. Exoneration and vindication for Republicans, after a proper trial, will be immaterial as the fairy tale will have been fixed in the public's mind by that point.
Pardon me if I don't buy in to your negativism. There's always time to blast this stupid liberal ploy.
" Joe Wilson (and now the wife as well) are rapidly becoming the new liberal icons of whistle-blowing virtue"
That's too strong, I think. Does anybody really think that Wilson has been straightforward in spinning the situation or that his motivation has been what's good for the U.S. in speaking tour? From the moment he went public his role has been political.
On the other hand it looks like he was factually correct that we did not evidence of Iraq attempting to buy Uranium from Niger - but even he admits that it might have happened.
The bottom line is we don't have evidence of WMD justification for entering the war and the sooner we de-focus on WMD's or terrorism justifying the war and focus on the humanitarian reasons for the war and reality that we are there and cannot afford to leave prematurely the better off we will be.
"(re: "Is Valerie Plame the new Deep Throat?""
Let's ask former President Clinton.
Sorry, that just came out.
Today’s media assault has all the earmarks of a CIA disinformation operation, just the sort of thing Plame and her colleagues are professionally trained to conduct. While it has layers of deception and coverup, the pattern seems clear enough. Dozens of commentators have now identified the many lies told by Joe Wilson over the past two years, with the quiet backing of Plame and her CIA backers. Notice that the CIA could have exposed Wilson’s fabrications at any time in the last two years. It did not, and by its deliberate silence has allowed those stories to flower into the partisan assault we see today.As Howard Fineman wrote a few weeks ago, the now infamous outing of Valerie Plame isn’t primarily an issue of law. It’s about a lot of other things, like: the ongoing war between the CIA and the vice president’s office. The spookocracy has a very personal itch to want to destroy George W. Bush and Dick Cheney: It is facing a purge to finally get rid of entire layers of incompetents and saboteurs, revealed by the terrorist attacks on 9/11 and the failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
Seriously, as much as we enjoy watching the Old Media sink into oblivion around here, they are still a loud voice in the American wilderness. My fear is that the loud trumpeting of the MSM, should indictments be forthcoming, will garner the interest of those who do not follow politics beyond the evening news. I think just the whiff of scandal will be enough to slowly bolster the Deanster's new talking point that we are suffering through a "climate of corruption" within this administration.
Remember, it's not whether the implications are true, it's the seriouness of the charges that count...
The liberals are still stuck on Watergate and Vietnam. They view all of reality through the prism of the 60's.
Ah, the mistaken assumption that the liberal media has a conscience. They don't.
You're right, I misrepresented the article referenced because the title seemed to bolster my point so well.
Nevertheless, there is no denying that the liberal press is attempting to paint Joe & Val as victims here, poor civil servants whose simple lives were ruined by the evil machinations of the Machiavellian Rove when Big Joe challenged the WMD war argument.
Why do I hate "Open Letters"?
"Let's ask former President Clinton."
Seriously now, are we to believe that Clinton could have determined depth beyond two inches?
Well, something's up. Today, almost 2 1/2 years after he aired that serial liar's story, the Wash Post's Walter Pincus, finally concedes he's a showboat and finally concedes the SSCI found most of his story to be false. (Pincus still lies about the uranium buying story) but it is progress. And I have to wonder why he finally conceded his playmate is not credible.
Actually, Iraqi trade contacts with Niger are public information that even Wilson has acknowledged. As others have noted, Iraq was after chickpeas, goats, or uranium. Take your pick.
Wilson never mentions those trade contacts unless pressed, because they don't fit his overall case, which is that France didn't, wouldn't, couldn't, deal in contraband uranium.
It would be interesting to know where Libya got its yellow-cake for its nuclear program.
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Me:"On the other hand it looks like he was factually correct that we did not evidence of Iraq attempting to buy Uranium from Niger"
marron: "Actually, Iraqi trade contacts with Niger are public information that even Wilson has acknowledged. As others have noted, Iraq was after chickpeas, goats, or uranium. Take your pick.
Wilson never mentions those trade contacts unless pressed, because they don't fit his overall case, which is that France didn't, wouldn't, couldn't, deal in contraband uranium. "
Our two statements are not contradictory. I agree Wilson is playing a slimey political game. But the fact remains that he was factually correct that we did not have evidence of of Iraq attempting to buy Uranium from Niger and thus we would have been smarter to not go after him.
I agree that the media reports sure don't look good for our team.
Maybe Fitzgerald will fool everyone with an indictment for a renegade CIA operation, but I don't think so.
No one that I've read has mentioned Wilson or Plame or other CIA types having to reappear at the grand jury. I guess Fitz could be getting inside info from Goss, but somehow I think the leaks are intentional to prepare the nation for what's taking going to take place in the administration.
He could also come back with no indictments at all....but that doesn't explain the leaks which do appear to be intentional.
bttt
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