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To: StoneGiant
Sorry folks, this one is O-V-E-R.

And we didn't win.

Joe Wilson (and now the wife as well) are rapidly becoming the new liberal icons of whistle-blowing virtue (re: "Is Valerie Plame the new Deep Throat?", The American Thinker. And this from a conservative website). The myth has been spun and perpetuated ad nauseum through the liberal press for months now and there is no going back. The impending indictments from Fitzgerald, whether legitimate or not, will seal the deal. Exoneration and vindication for Republicans, after a proper trial, will be immaterial as the fairy tale will have been fixed in the public's mind by that point.

2 posted on 10/25/2005 6:48:32 AM PDT by liberty_lvr (Those who stand for nothing fall for anything.)
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To: liberty_lvr

Pardon me if I don't buy in to your negativism. There's always time to blast this stupid liberal ploy.


3 posted on 10/25/2005 6:58:00 AM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: liberty_lvr

" Joe Wilson (and now the wife as well) are rapidly becoming the new liberal icons of whistle-blowing virtue"


That's too strong, I think. Does anybody really think that Wilson has been straightforward in spinning the situation or that his motivation has been what's good for the U.S. in speaking tour? From the moment he went public his role has been political.

On the other hand it looks like he was factually correct that we did not evidence of Iraq attempting to buy Uranium from Niger - but even he admits that it might have happened.

The bottom line is we don't have evidence of WMD justification for entering the war and the sooner we de-focus on WMD's or terrorism justifying the war and focus on the humanitarian reasons for the war and reality that we are there and cannot afford to leave prematurely the better off we will be.


4 posted on 10/25/2005 7:00:21 AM PDT by gondramB
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To: liberty_lvr
I wouldn't annoit Joe Wilson so soon, though. You're forgetting that the power of the MSM has dropped with the rise of New Media, especially the public Internet. Everyone knows Wilson's chequered past and the New Media won't let Americans ignore it.
5 posted on 10/25/2005 7:02:02 AM PDT by RayChuang88
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To: liberty_lvr

"(re: "Is Valerie Plame the new Deep Throat?""

Let's ask former President Clinton.

Sorry, that just came out.


6 posted on 10/25/2005 7:05:16 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Liberal Talking Point - Bush = Hitler ... Republican Talking Point - Let the Liberals Talk)
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To: liberty_lvr
It is my understanding The American Thinker article sugggested that holdovers at the CIA, the liberal media, and the Wilson's fabricated lies to subvert a Republican President. Here's a snip from your referenced article:

Today’s media assault has all the earmarks of a CIA disinformation operation, just the sort of thing Plame and her colleagues are professionally trained to conduct. While it has layers of deception and coverup, the pattern seems clear enough. Dozens of commentators have now identified the many lies told by Joe Wilson over the past two years, with the quiet backing of Plame and her CIA backers. Notice that the CIA could have exposed Wilson’s fabrications at any time in the last two years. It did not, and by its deliberate silence has allowed those stories to flower into the partisan assault we see today.As Howard Fineman wrote a few weeks ago, the now infamous outing of Valerie Plame isn’t primarily an issue of law. It’s about a lot of other things, like: the ongoing war between the CIA and the vice president’s office. The spookocracy has a very personal itch to want to destroy George W. Bush and Dick Cheney: It is facing a purge to finally get rid of entire layers of incompetents and saboteurs, revealed by the terrorist attacks on 9/11 and the failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

7 posted on 10/25/2005 7:12:22 AM PDT by Quilla
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To: liberty_lvr; Jim Robinson
this one...over...we didn't win...

I agree that the media reports sure don't look good for our team.

Maybe Fitzgerald will fool everyone with an indictment for a renegade CIA operation, but I don't think so.

No one that I've read has mentioned Wilson or Plame or other CIA types having to reappear at the grand jury. I guess Fitz could be getting inside info from Goss, but somehow I think the leaks are intentional to prepare the nation for what's taking going to take place in the administration.

He could also come back with no indictments at all....but that doesn't explain the leaks which do appear to be intentional.

19 posted on 10/25/2005 8:40:03 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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