[highball]

Another thought - I doubt many of the Founders would have thought that Government "keeps us civilized."

Men keep themselves civilized - our government is not charged with controlling our behaviors.

[VRWCmember]

Another thought - I doubt many of the Founders would have thought that Government "keeps us civilized." Men keep themselves civilized - our government is not charged with controlling our behaviors.

However, most of them subscribed to the laws of nature and of nature's God. Consequently, they probably would not object to laws restricting sodomy as somehow limiting freedom.

[DirtyHarryY2K]

Anybody with an elementary education on American history knows beyond a reasonable doubt that perversion isn't a civil right.

Among the founders, *sodomy was universally condemned as a crime against nature. It was illegal in each of the thirteen states existing at the time the Constitution was ratified and the Bill of Rights was adopted. In Thomas Jefferson's Virginia, it was a crime punishable by death. When Jefferson wrote an amendment to the criminal code lessening the penalty for sodomy, he nevertheless classed it as a crime with rape, polygamy, and incest.

Whosoever shall be guilty of rape, polygamy, or sodomy* with a man or woman, shall be punished; if a man, by castration, a woman, by boring through the cartilage of her nose a hole of one half inch in diameter at the least.- Thomas Jefferson:

*Ever look up the word Sodomy in Noah Websters dictionary?

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other".- John Adams 1798 --