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Journalists' Hotel in Baghdad Attacked(New Details)
AP ^ | Oct 24 2005 | ROBERT H. REID

Posted on 10/24/2005 11:47:30 AM PDT by Dog

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To: PsyOp; Southack
Why would these dolts go after journalists

For the attention...BUT they picked the wrong day to stage this made for media event.

The media is fixated on the latest Storm of the Century....this isn't get much play on the American cable channels..

21 posted on 10/24/2005 1:56:03 PM PDT by Dog
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To: PsyOp; Dog; wretchard; Travis McGee; MikeinIraq; Marine_Uncle
"Why would these dolts go after journalists? If it weren't for the constant stilted media bias in their favor, they'd have withered away a year ago. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you."

That's not how the insurgents see it.

Failing to create actual chaos, lawlessness, and anarchy throughout Iraq, the terrorists are dropping back to their fallback plan: create the **appearance** of chaos and lawlessness.

Could you name a better strategy for creating the **appearance** of lawlessness than non-stop targeting of journalists?!

One journalist was kidnapped last week. Now two hotels full of journalists were attacked (Sheraton and Palestine hotels).

This will be followed by drive by attacks on journalists as well as more kidnappings, sniper attacks, and bombings on journalists.

Everywhere journalists go, the remnants of Iraq's insurgency is going to go after them.

The terrorists are too weak to continue taking on the Iraqi Army. Too weak to keep taking on the Iraqi police.

But they aren't quitting. They're simply changing targets to a more vulnerable, higher-news-making group: journalists.

Journalists in Iraq are going to be made the recipients of whatever Hell that the insurgents can still deliver. And while that is a very small amount of power, it may be enough to keep getting news stories printed about how life in Iraq is somehow "chaotic."

It might even be true if you are a journalist.

The rest of Iraq, of course, has seen violence drop off dramatically...especially after the second nation-wide vote this month.

But even in their much-weakened condition, the terrorists can still make life rough for journalists. They can phone in "tips" to enable them to lure journalists in for kidnappings and killings, for instance.

If you are carrying a camera in Iraq, your world is about to become more dangerous.

And the terrorists are betting that this change in targets creates more negative news articles about the stability of Iraq.

It will be the opposite of the truth for the nation as a whole, of course, but for the microcosm of the journalistic world, it may be reality...and that reality may filter in to their news coverage.

By killing journalists, the terrorists may very well get the stories that they desire out of whatever journalists survive...unwitting "useful idiots" that they may (or may not) be.

22 posted on 10/24/2005 3:03:00 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

A friend of mine, who is a journalist, recently came back from Iraq. He told me that he never left his quarters, and never went outside the hotel without significant armed guard. And, he was trained in survival for a week before he went over.

Journalists are told that the minute you walk outside the gates, the clock is ticking. When the timer runs out, you WILL be kidnapped. It's anyone's guess as to how much time is on your ticker.


23 posted on 10/24/2005 3:42:51 PM PDT by montanus
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To: Dog

Insurgents trying to kill journalists? How stupid can they be?


24 posted on 10/24/2005 3:48:24 PM PDT by Radix (I lost my Tag Line, but meanwhile I have this wonderful substitute thanks to Tag Line Helper.)
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To: Southack

I agree (mostly). My question was rhetorical sarcasm. I thought my final comment on that post made that clear. Good response though. ;]


25 posted on 10/24/2005 4:01:08 PM PDT by PsyOp (Men easily believe what they want to. – Caesar, De Bello Gallico, III, 18.)
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To: Dog
The cement mixer exploded in a huge ball of flame and a cloud of smoke.

I have been giving cement trucks plenty of room since that movie where the truck unloaded into an open convertible, but an exploding cement truck would be pretty much unexpected.

26 posted on 10/24/2005 4:04:50 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: Southack

Great comments. The irony of it all. The journalist have played the stupid aids for the insurgents and terroist groups, now they are the targets. That is their just reward in not from early on seeing how vital it was to report un-biased news. Interestingly a NBC reporter tonight made a comment that they think the big cement truck loaded with explosives may have been ignited by a US soldier using a 50 cal. machine gun. So if anything the soldier may have saved a lot more peoples lives by blowing the damn thing up far away from the buildings.


27 posted on 10/24/2005 5:24:37 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Moose4
To get on TV. They lost the election and are near despair. So they do the evilest thing they can think of to get on TV. Their last remaining friends, they try to murder. It is how the evil stupids disease progresses, that is all.
28 posted on 10/24/2005 6:35:11 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: Dog

How did they manage to get all that video footage I saw today of the explosions?


29 posted on 10/24/2005 9:29:02 PM PDT by Mo1
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Late night update, might even have some fresh details....

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Today: October 24, 2005 at 21:36:17 PDT

Reporters' Hotel in Iraq Attacked; 6 Dead

By MARIAM FAM
ASSOCIATED PRESS

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -

1024baghdad-2 Suicide bombers including one in a cement truck packed with explosives launched a dramatic attack Monday against the Palestine Hotel, where many foreign journalists are based, sending up a giant cloud of smoke and debris over central Baghdad. American troops and journalists escaped without serious injury but at least a half-dozen passers-by were killed.

The deafening attack triggered confusion and panic throughout the hotel, and sent cars swerving wildly on a roundabout to escape the blasts. Inside the 19-story hotel, the force of the blasts shattered glass, tore pictures off walls and brought down light fixtures and ceilings.

The cement truck was the last of three vehicles trying to break through the wall outside the hotel. The first car drove up to the wall and exploded, blasting out a section of the concrete. According to the U.S. military, the second car was headed for the fresh breach in the wall but exploded near the 14th Ramadan Mosque when it was engaged by civilian security forces.

Within minutes, the truck made it through the breach but apparently became stuck on a road between the Palestine and the neighboring Sheraton hotel. The truck rocked back and forth and then blew up after a U.S. soldier opened fire on it. Had the truck traveled 20 or 30 yards farther and blown up at the hotel entrance, it could have killed many people inside the Palestine.

The attack happened at dusk just as Iraqis would have been breaking the daylong fast they observe during the holy month of Ramadan and eating their first meal, called Iftar. It could have been an effort to catch Iraqi security forces at a vulnerable moment when they might have been less attentive.

Iraq's national security adviser, Mouwafak al-Rubaie, said the attack - which appeared well planned - was a "very clear" effort to take over the hotel and grab foreign and Arab journalists as hostages. He offered no evidence to support the claim.

Deputy Interior Minister Hussein Kamal disputed the kidnapping theory.

"There is no evidence to support this," Kamal said. "This is just an unlikely assumption. If that were the case, then there would have been gunmen with the suicide bombers. There were no gunmen."

Casualty reports varied widely. The U.S. military said six civilians were killed and 15 wounded, but al-Rubaie said at least 20 were killed and 40 wounded, mainly passers-by on the street. Kamal said four or five police officers were among the dead. Two AP employees and three other journalists inside the hotel suffered minor injuries.

No American troops were wounded, the military said. A U.S. Bradley Fighting Vehicle parked inside the compound was destroyed in the blast, but no one was inside at the time. But the toll among American service members killed in the Iraq war reached 1,997 with the announcement of a Marine killed Sunday during fighting in western Iraq.

Since the beginning of 2005, at least 465 vehicle bombings, including suicide car bombs and vehicles exploded by remote detonations, have killed at least 2,250 people in Iraq.

Security still photos showed a clear attempt to attack the hotel on Monday.

The assault began when at 5:21 p.m. a white car drove up to the concrete blast wall that separates the hotel complex from Firdous Square, where a giant statue of Saddam Hussein was pulled down after U.S. troops captured Baghdad on April 9, 2003.

That vehicle exploded, blasting out a section of the wall.

Two minutes later and on the opposite side of the square, a second car blew up next to the mosque. The U.S. military said it appeared the car tried to aim for the breach in the blast wall but was stopped by Iraqi security forces near the mosque, and detonated.

Then, one minute later, the cement truck drove through the breach and appeared to get about 15 to 20 feet inside the compound when it suddenly stopped. It repeatedly drove short distances back and forth, as if stuck on something, as gunfire broke out, according to the still photos and Associated Press Television News footage. Then it exploded in a huge yellow ball of fire and smoke.

The U.S. military said an American soldier fired on the cement truck as it tried to move through the breached wall. The military speculated that the reason for the truck's rocking back and forth was that it may have been stuck on debris from the first blast or perhaps because small arms fire had flattened its tires, damaged its engine or wounded the driver.

Al-Rubaie told The Associated Press the men in the cars were armed with rocket-propelled grenades and light arms.

"The plan was very clear to us, which was to take security control over the two hotels, and to take the foreign and Arab journalists as hostages to use them as a bargain," he said. He refused to say if there were more cars involved, or if there were gunmen elsewhere to carry out the kidnappings.

An AP driver who was headed home at the time reported seeing three vehicles headed toward the square at high speed, striking the concrete barriers and then exploding.

After the bombing, Iraqi forces opened up with heavy automatic weapons fire, apparently shooting at random. There was no sign of a further assault on the hotel.

There was minor damage to the hotel, which was last hit in an insurgent rocket attack on Oct. 7, 2004. Moments before the second blast, journalists, photographers and technicians were walking up and down hazy corridors in a state of confusion, urging each other to remain calm, put on flak jackets, and to stay away from windows. Thicker clouds of smoke filled the far end of one hallway, with many people coughing and waving their hands.

The second explosion shook the building momentarily. Confusion and panic again set in, with those inside debating whether to exit, but all eventually deciding to stay in the corridor and sit propped against walls, most in flak jackets. Sounds resembling gunshots could be heard outside.

Strips of floorboards were strewn about and air vents were blown in.

One AP journalist in the building at the time, Thomas Wagner, called the blasts "deafening."

"The impact pushed us forward in our chairs," he said.

He noted that the journalists at the Palestine often can hear the distant blast of other attacks. "But I've never felt blasts as strong or as loud as the ones Monday," Wagner said.

Britain's Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said the indiscriminate killings had been carried out in the name of a "totally perverted ideology."

"It is a further illustration of the evil that we are dealing with," Straw said.

In New York, the Committee to Protect Journalists issued a statement condemning the bombings.

"These appalling attacks are fresh reminders of the myriad dangerous facing those who continue to report from Iraq," CPJ Executive Director Ann Cooper said.

The hotel complex has come under rocket fire from insurgents in the past, although there have been no media fatalities. Two journalists died when a U.S. tank opened fire on the Palestine in April 2003 as American forces captured Baghdad. The committee said the killings were not deliberate but could have been avoided.

Reporters Without Borders also vigorously condemned the bombings.

"By attacking the Hotel Palestine, which is commonly known to be home to many foreign journalists, those behind this cowardly attack sought to deliberately target the Western media," the press freedom organization stated.

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This might be a new detail.......

The truck rocked back and forth and then blew up after a U.S. soldier opened fire on it.

Had the truck traveled 20 or 30 yards farther and blown up at the hotel entrance, it could have killed many people inside the Palestine.

30 posted on 10/24/2005 9:48:16 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Dog

"This was a military operation....this wasn't a bunch of crazed suicide bombers pointed to the hotel by their handlers.....this was a multi-layered attack.."

The people Syria and Iran are infiltrating would certainly have the training for that.


31 posted on 10/24/2005 11:50:44 PM PDT by dsc
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"the big cement truck loaded with explosives may have been ignited by a US soldier using a 50 cal. machine gun."

Is that the same Browning Mama Deuce that's been around for more than half a century?

Fine weapon.


32 posted on 10/24/2005 11:52:50 PM PDT by dsc
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To: dsc

"Is that the same Browning Mama Deuce that's been around for more than half a century? Fine weapon."

I assume it may have been a air cooled M2 Browning. Perhaps mounted on a HUMVEE.


33 posted on 10/25/2005 9:21:44 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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