pro-death sign at DC 'choice' rally
This is what we are up against. It is what we have always been up against.
Posted on 10/24/2005 2:45:34 AM PDT by ajolympian2004
The "tiny cross" people at the American Civil Liberties Union are at it again. These are the folks with extra-keen eyes and powerful magnifying glasses who examine the official seals of towns and counties, looking for miniature crosses that ACLU lawyers like to trumpet as grave threats to separation of church and state.
This time around, the folks with the magnifying glasses are leaning on the village of Tijeras, N.M., whose seal contains a conquistador's helmet and sword, a scroll, a desert plant, a fairly large religious symbol (the Native American zia) and a quite small Christian cross. "Tiny cross" inspectors are not permitted to fret about large non-Christian religious symbols, only undersized Christian ones, so the ACLU filed suit to get the cross removed.
The cross is obviously not an endorsement of religion, any more than the conquistador helmet and sword are endorsements of Spanish warfare. The courts have ruled, not always consistently, that crosses, as historical references in such seals and logos, are permissible. But the ACLU, these days, is strongly committed to seeing church-state crises everywhere, and thus pushes things way too far.
Last year the ACLU demanded that Los Angeles County eliminate from its seal a microscopic cross representing the missions that settled the state of California. Under threat of expensive litigation, the county complied. The cross was about one-sixth the size of a not-very-big image of a cow tucked away on the lower right segment of the seal, and maybe a hundredth of the size of a pagan god (Pomona, goddess of fruit) who dominated the seal. Pomona survived the religious purge. She is not the sort of god that the ACLU worries about, whereas the flyspeck-sized cross was a threat to unravel separation of church and state, as we know it. What will happen if the ACLU learns that Los Angeles, Santa Monica, Sacramento, San Francisco, St. Louis and Corpus Christi actually have religious names? We shudder to think.
The campaign to remove all traces of religion from public institutions, and in fact from the entire public square, is now far advanced. Part of that extremist campaign is to squelch private expression in and around public schools. Students have been punished for reading the Bible outside of class, for assembling after school to talk about religion, for thanking God or Jesus in a valedictory speech, and for bowing their heads (and therefore presumed to be praying privately) before lunch.
Another fairly common school crisis comes when a class is asked to write an essay or draw a picture of someone they regard as a hero. Mao Tse-tung or Vlad the Impaler will bring no rebuke, but if the hero is Jesus or Moses, watch out.
Last week the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals in New York accepted the case of Antonio Peck, who, as a kindergartner in 1999, had his drawing censored from a class wall display because of church-state concerns. Along with the rest of his class, Antonio was told to draw a picture to illustrate his understanding of the environment. He drew a man with upraised arms, wearing a robe. When asked, the boy said the man was Jesus, who was "the only way to save the world." The trial will decide whether the school was guilty of viewpoint censorship.
In Tennessee, the Knox County board of education is being sued for refusing to allow a 10-year-old to read his Bible during recess. The school argued that recess is not free time and that the school can forbid the reading of religious material during that period. The Phoenix-based Alliance Defense Fund (ADF), which defends religious liberties cases, supported the student.
After ADF intervened, a school in Torrance, Calif., backed down from its decision not to allow a student on a dance team to perform to religious music. ADF also defended students who had been forbidden by their schools to participate in the national Sept. 21 "See You at the Pole" prayer and religious event on school grounds. ADF argued that religious expression cannot be treated differently from any other constitutionally protected expression.
As if to prove that church-state objections can be found on the right as well as on the left, the band director at C.D. Hylton High School in Virginia pulled the song "The Devil Went Down to Georgia" by the Charlie Daniels Band after a conservative objected. He wondered why the school should be allowed to sing about the devil when they are not allowed to sing about God.
Next week: The ACLU sues to ban deviled eggs from the school cafeteria.
Monday, October 24, 2005 Here they go again
The American Civil Liberties Union is at it once again. To use John Leo's words,
"This time around, the folks with the magnifying glasses are leaning on the village of Tijeras, N.M., whose seal contains a conquistador's helmet and sword, a scroll, a desert plant, a fairly large religious symbol (the Native American zia) and a quite small Christian cross. "Tiny cross" inspectors are not permitted to fret about large non-Christian religious symbols, only undersized Christian ones, so the ACLU filed suit to get the cross removed."
The ACLU hypocrisy is over the top. They have already put pressure on Los Angeles County to remove the tiny cross on its seal. The organization has ignored other larger non-Christian religious symbols. They also ignored the atheists, Buddhists, Hindu and Muslim residents in LA County who urged the County to keep the cross on the seal, as it represented a significant part of Los Angeles history.
The controversy rages around the nation. A boy was not allowed to read his Bible during recess. The New York school argued that "recess" is not really free time. It's still school time. So, it was their job to maintain that wall of separation between church and state.
In Torrance, California students were forbidden from attending the annual national "See You At The Pole" day to pray for their campus and for the nation before school starts.
Things have to change. I think the ACLU consistently overplays its hand. Unfortunately, not everyone else agrees. What I do know is that our founders would turn over in their graves at the thought that this is taking place in their land.
The freedoms granted to us in the First Amendment seem to be contingent on our faith. And, if the ACLU had its way, Christians might not even be allowed citizenship, for fear that the state would be condoning that faith. It sounds extreme. But, carrying the ACLU philosophy to its logical extreme leaves you wondering whether we'd truly live in a democratic society. Not if they had it their way.
http://justawoman2005.blogspot.com/2005/10/here-they-go-again.html
This is what we are up against. It is what we have always been up against.
You expected what, exactly, from the Anti-Christian Luciferians United?
The problem is that we have to pay for their nutty-ness through our tax dollars (which is how they intimidate small towns). The law needs to be changed so that the tab for civil rights lawsuits are not picked up by the taxpayers. That way lawyers will only take on legitimate cases.
The proper question is:
How many ACLU laywers should dance at the end of a rope?
As a Jew, I find the sign in the photo incredibly offensive. I think if I were in the crowd, I'd make my way over to the sign holder, and ask if he knew that his sign held great signifigance as a reminder of NAZI Germany. Then I'd haul off and hit him as hard as I could in the face.
It would be worth facing assault charges to hurt this idiot badly. Oh, and I'd claim my "victimhood as a Jew" caused me to have to hit him.
Mark
How many ACLU laywers should dance at the end of a rope?
every stinking one, mother daughter and son
No more calls, please! We have a winner!
I thought that line was about angels, *not* plague rats...
Ah. So there are calls for death on both sides, then.
Apparently at least some on the anti-ACLU side are "pro-death" as well. See posts # 6 and 8.
"Ah. So there are calls for death on both sides, then."
when it comes to that , that may need done, and let God sort them out
ACLU fights for its office chairs and bank accounts, the people fight for what they believe in
want to make any bets who will lose?
Bears repeating.
Especially not where they can't single out anybody who was actually damaged.
All of them.
For the vineyard of the Lord of Hosts is the House of Israel,Salvation is from the Jews: Y'shua is the Lion of the tribe of Judah.
And the men of Judah are His pleasant plant.
Isaiah 4:7
There are spiritual reasons why Jews and Christians are singled out for persecution. We are divided in some ways, but not in our suffering. We shall soon be united in all things, dear brother, for the Word of the Lord is being fulfilled in our day.
In the Mighty Name, amen.
Only when one is born again (John 4), not of flesh (Romans 1) which retaliates but of Spirit (1 Cor. 13) which covers, only when one has received love (1 John 4:19), forgiveness (Acts 2:38), mercy (Psalm 136), covering (1 Peter 4:8), that one is made able to give it.
"The one who is forgiven much loves much," said the Master, "but the one who is forgiven little loves little" (Luke 7:47).
There is no other explanation for the death songs of the Saints throughout history.
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