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Schumer: Miers lacks votes to be confirmed [Howard Dean, said it was his guess that Miers would not.
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Posted on 10/23/2005 8:40:50 AM PDT by Sub-Driver

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To: Sub-Driver
"She is the only one whose entire career is in private practice," Hutchison said, in contrast to the current justices. "I can't imagine not having someone with practical real-world experience."
That is an outright lie
Miers's entire career has not been in private practice.
She spent a good deal of her career in local, state, and federal government, including the Dallas City Council, the Texas Lottery Commission, The Texas State Bar, and in the White House.

Likewise, Chief Justice John Roberts was a private practice attorney for ten years. Unlike Miers, he had actually argued before the Supreme Court in his private practice.

Where do these politicians get off blatantly distorting reality like that?
21 posted on 10/23/2005 9:10:11 AM PDT by counterpunch (SCOTUS interruptus - withdraw Miers now)
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To: onyx

It's the originalists who are concerned about her being confirmed. We want someone with the qualifications of John Roberts, not another O'Connor.


22 posted on 10/23/2005 9:10:16 AM PDT by DuckFan4ever (Thanks to all those serving.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Seems to me if she is what her opponents here say she is, the democrats would be falling all over themselves to vote for her.


23 posted on 10/23/2005 9:11:42 AM PDT by alnick
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To: Brilliant

But if you trust Bush, doesn't that mean he'll keep sending up conservatives? Why would he send up a liberal? Wouldn't that be giving in? Do you think he'll give in that easily? It would make no sense, especially since the pressure on Miers has been from the right. In my view, the ones giving him the most grief about Miers are helping the cause. So far all the pressure has been from the left, the moderates. Now, finally, there is pressure from our side as well. I'd say that pushes back on the left. Gives GWB some leverage for picking someone with known conservative views. What's to lose? You can always pick another stealth later if you want/need. But to give in without a fight?


24 posted on 10/23/2005 9:12:11 AM PDT by Huck (Miers Miers Miers Miers Miers--I'm mired in Miers.)
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To: Sub-Driver
Schumer is a no mind.
25 posted on 10/23/2005 9:13:17 AM PDT by b4its2late (I saw a woman wearing a sweat shirt with "Guess" on it. So I said "Implants?" She hit me.)
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To: counterpunch
It is a truly sad day when I am reduced to cheering Schumer.

Yep. And it's truly sad to see a lot of people around here apparently cheering Arlen "Magic Bullet" Specter -- simply because he's anti-Miers too.

And before anyone tries it, Guilt by Association is a logical fallacy.

Not trying it. But I think before we jump to conclusions about Miers, we should consider the sources. There's a huge lot of disinformation coming from anti-Miers people on both the left and the right.

FWIW, Susan Estrich had some interesting things to say last night on John Kasich's show on Fox.

Estrich said that when she helped nominee Stephen Breyer prepare for his confirmation, Breyer himself did not fill out those questionnaires submitted by senators.

She implied that Miers probably did not fill out the questionnaire either (the one that reportedly had erroneous answers on it), and said that she suspects Miers has been ill served by staff.

(Kasich jumped in at that point and said that Senate judiciary staffers, who hate Miers, were the ones who were "leaking" negative spin. Kasich added that these staffers should be disciplined.)

Before I get flamed for guilt by association for quoting Estrich (with whom I don't agree 90% of the time), y'all note that on the same program she

1. condemned the prosecution of Tom DeLay;
2. condemned the potential prosecution of Rove and Libby; and
3. has in the recent past condemned Cindy Sheehan.

So whatever we think about Susan Estrich, I think we have to admit she's the rare lefty who's occasionally honest.

26 posted on 10/23/2005 9:13:23 AM PDT by shhrubbery! (The 'right to choose' = The right to choose death --for somebody else.)
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To: Dane

Rushbot? Is that supposed to hurt our feelings? Sounds like a phrase the elitist Libs would use to dismiss us conservatives.


27 posted on 10/23/2005 9:14:48 AM PDT by DuckFan4ever (President Bush, we've had enough cronyism. No more unqualified nominees.)
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To: Huck; Brilliant
Why more liberal? Don't you trust GWB to nominate conservatives?
Ironic, isn't it, that the same people who say "trust Bush!" when it comes to Miers don't even trust him to nominate someone conservative in her place.
28 posted on 10/23/2005 9:14:49 AM PDT by counterpunch (SCOTUS interruptus - withdraw Miers now)
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To: Sub-Driver
"The hearings will be make or break for Harriet Miers in a way they haven't been for any other nominee," Schumer said on NBC's "Meet the Press." "She'll have to do very well there. She has a tough road to hoe."

He can't even get his cliches right.

29 posted on 10/23/2005 9:15:03 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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To: Owen
The point is to move the court to the right. If that happens in stealth form how is that bad?

The tactic of steath is inherently dishonest. It can be used to move the court to the left too. If you don't object to stealth now, you have to change your position to be against it in the future.

Honest government decisions are made with at least some of the cards on the table. There is debate, and then vote.

30 posted on 10/23/2005 9:15:47 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Sub-Driver
But this does not fit the theory that Harriet Miers was picked because she would be hard for the Democrats to reject.
31 posted on 10/23/2005 9:16:17 AM PDT by msnimje
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To: Sub-Driver

I don't trust Chuck Schumer's word. In any sense, let alone over Dubya's.


32 posted on 10/23/2005 9:17:39 AM PDT by RichInOC ("How can you tell whether Democrats are lying?" "Well, are they talking?")
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To: shhrubbery!
FWIW, Susan Estrich had some interesting things to say last night on John Kasich's show on Fox.
Yeah, I saw that and lost what little respect I had for Kasich when he trotted out the despicable "sexism" charge at the end of the interview.
33 posted on 10/23/2005 9:17:58 AM PDT by counterpunch (SCOTUS interruptus - withdraw Miers now)
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To: counterpunch
It is a truly sad day when I am reduced to cheering Schumer. And before anyone tries it, Guilt by Association is a logical fallacy.

LOL!

Many here on FR said that they were against Miers because Schumer was for her.

Now, Schumer goes negative on Miers, and guilt by association becomes taboo.

Sure glad that I never name drop endorsements when giving my pros and cons.

34 posted on 10/23/2005 9:18:39 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Brilliant
I'm betting more liberal.

The Bushbots have been consistently telling us that if we manage to reject Miers, Bush will come back with a more liberal nomination, probably Gonzalez.

I certainly hope not. I think the political stupidity of the Miers nomination was entirely careless and accidental. But if he comes back with Gonzalez, that would be political stupidity on purpose.

Frankly, I think Bush has more sense. Why would he want to go through two flame wars in a row and permanently offend most of his base?

Bushbots seem to hope for such an outcome so they can say, "We told you so." It would be better to hope that the President does the right thing next time, instead, and nominates a solid conservative candidate, as he should have done the first time around.

35 posted on 10/23/2005 9:19:31 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Owen
Worshipping credentials over personal inclinations doesn't make much sense.

Yes. The laws are complicated -- the Constitution is simple.

36 posted on 10/23/2005 9:21:06 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Panic in the Streets

Spiteful? I think right now that term is reserved for the extreme right wing who may have thwarted this nomination. What makes them think he's going to come back now and give them what they want? Very unlikely.


37 posted on 10/23/2005 9:25:14 AM PDT by Hildy ( liberals cannot change the present, and cannot effect the future, so they MUST relive the past...)
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To: Cicero
The Bushbots have been consistently telling us that if we manage to reject Miers, Bush will come back with a more liberal nomination, probably Gonzalez.
That is just a scare tactic. It's all hyperventilation, hysteria, and histrionics.
They are the ones demanding to "trust Bush!" on Miers, and yet they don't even trust him to pick a conservative replacement?

Bush is not as dumb as the Leftists would like you to believe. He's not going to jump out of the frying pan and into the fire. Most of the heat he's taken has been because Miers is not an accredited conservative scholar. He knows what his party is demanding.
38 posted on 10/23/2005 9:25:18 AM PDT by counterpunch (SCOTUS interruptus - withdraw Miers now)
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To: shhrubbery!

I agree with you about Estrich. She infuriates me most of the time, but I also think she has a distaste for liberal idiocy.

I wish I could say I would be disappointed if Miers wasn't confirmed, but that wouldn't be honest. I believe there are far more qualified proven conservative candidates. Trouble is, what is the likelihood of one of them getting confirmed? A Luttig, Brown, etc, is sure to be filibustered. If that happens, perhaps Frist would finally grow a spine and go nuclear. One could only hope.

Having said all that, I have been reserving judgement on Miers until I could hear her for myself in confirmation hearings.

Stealth candidates make me very nervous. No way of knowing what you're going to get. I am not real comfortable with "hoping for the best". This court is to important to the future of conservatism and originalism. I'd rather be certain. Don't know if that is possible.


39 posted on 10/23/2005 9:25:56 AM PDT by conservativebabe (proud to be a vitriolic hyperconservative)
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To: Hildy

Because he works for us, not the other way around.

We just want him to nominate a known strict constructionist/originalist.

Funny how those opposed to Miers are Sexist, Elitist and now "far right."

So Laura Ingraham, George Will, Krauthammer, Rush, John Fund, National Review, et al are "far righties," eh? You sould like a liberal.

43% of FR oppose this pick as opposed to 34% who are for it.

Why do you associate yourself with such people?


40 posted on 10/23/2005 9:32:02 AM PDT by Panic in the Streets ("Mayor, I've confirmed the data: the hippies ARE planning a massive jam band concert!"- Eric Cartman)
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