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To: vladimir998
Look at what you wrote: "...be re-ordained.." There is no such concept. Once ordained, always ordained. You don't seem to understand these basic ideas. Also, none of this really has anything to do with theology so how can it be inconsistent? This is a discipline and not a theological point. Why do you claim otherwise? Again, you seem to be unaware of these basic facts.

Is it your contention that the Anglican Church has valid orders?

It is a fact that all men who who have come into the Church under the Anglican dispensation have been "ordained" Catholic priests. That is, they have been "re-ordained" to supersede their previous ordinations as Anglicans.

No, they did accomplish something -- they heard their pope put his foot down on the idea of watering down discipline and doctrine just to please people with little faith like you.

The pope didn't say a word about the issue. The re-emphasis on celibacy was decided by the bishops themselves, and the document came out under the Pope's signature. Unlike John Paul II, at least Benedict XVI allowed the subject of married priests to be broached, and be discussed. It will likely be discussed again.

We should all pray for vocations, but the number of men in seminaries today will not be sufficient in number to replace those who are dying, retiring, or leaving. That is a fact.

Your snide little comment at the end indicates you don't really want to exchange thoughts about this; you'd rather sit in judgment.

So, adios.

49 posted on 10/23/2005 11:13:27 AM PDT by sinkspur (If you're not willing to give Harriett Miers a hearing, I don't give a damn what you think.)
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To: sinkspur

Sinkspur,

You wrote: "Is it your contention that the Anglican Church has valid orders?"

No, it is a fact that Protestants do not have valid orders.

"It is a fact that all men who who have come into the Church under the Anglican dispensation have been "ordained" Catholic priests. That is, they have been "re-ordained" to supersede their previous ordinations as Anglicans."

Incorrect. They were ordained once. That's exactly how they themselves put it.

"The pope didn't say a word about the issue."

In words? No. In actions? Yes. Did the synod call for married priests? No.

"The re-emphasis on celibacy was decided by the bishops themselves, and the document came out under the Pope's signature."

So the pope's signature means nothing?

"Unlike John Paul II, at least Benedict XVI allowed the subject of married priests to be broached, and be discussed. It will likely be discussed again."

No, not really. Benedict allowed some bishops to spout off probably so the issue will die down.

"We should all pray for vocations, but the number of men in seminaries today will not be sufficient in number to replace those who are dying, retiring, or leaving. That is a fact."

So we should place another burden on priests? No. We in North America will have to import priests from overseas in the time being, but vocations are rising among the orthodox and continuing to decline among your ilk.

"Your snide little comment at the end indicates you don't really want to exchange thoughts about this; you'd rather sit in judgment."

Nope. I just see no reason to pretend that this is some how open to discussion in the Church when it isn't. Just admit the fact that you are 1) not Catholic, or 2) not orthodox, or 3) clueless.


81 posted on 10/23/2005 12:57:01 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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