Whose Agenda are you Parrotting When You Do NOT Support Miers?

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[GarySpFc]

Translation: don't confuse me with uncomfortable facts, opinions and arguments that might challenge my views and make me re-examine them. I'm going with absolute loyalty to one man.

Here is another post from a malcontent. For your information I have studied everything I can find regarding Miers. I contacted friends in Dallas who know the lady, and I also checked with lawyers who know her work. I am happy with her selection, thank you.

[DocH]

All you need to do is see who has supported her from DAY ONE - "Dingy" Harry Reid, the liberal demonRAT scumbag.

Even if we didn't know as much about her as we do now, THAT fact ALONE would be enough reason NOT to support her.

[governsleastgovernsbest]

Dude, when will you get it through your head that it's the President's choice.

Bro, when will you read the First Amendment, which gives Americans the right to petition the government for redress of grievances. And believe me, many of us are . . . aggrieved!?

[gondramB]

"Nor should it be government's to interfere with how a private enterprise believe it would be best to run it's business. Law theorhetically exist for the purpose of keeping individuals safe from harm and to punish wrong-doers. Violation of PC has become a made-up "crime," thereby creating criminals."


I hope you weren't expecting me to disagree....

[Cboldt]

How did Santorum vote on Ginsburg?

In 1994 Santorum was then elected to the U.S. Senate ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Santorum

The Ginsburg vote was rendered on August 3, 1993.

[nicmarlo]

Of course not.

[DocH]

It seems there is good indication she is pro-life. But we have absolutely no idea how she would vote on gun rights, property rights(overturning Kelo vs. New London), affirmative action, State's rights, or any number off issues that are important to conservatives. After how hard we worked to elect Republicans in 2004, we deserve better then this.

My thoughts EXACTLY.

We deserve MUCH better than this.

[bourbon]

Correct. It is the President's choice, and I hold him fully responsible for this embarrassingly weak nomination.

[ez]

Intellectuals aren't a problem for the Court. In fact, intellectuals are a practical necessity on the Court. The problem with the Court over the past 50 years hasn't been the influence of intellectuals, but rather the influence of liberal/socialist intellectuals. The most effective replacements for these people are not political hacks but conservative intellectuals.

You have a point, I withdraw my tagline. ;7)

[fallujah-nuker]

"How did Santorum vote on Ginsburg?"

He was not in the Senate at that time, his seat was held by Harris Wofford (D) who picked up the seat opened by the death of Senator Heinz (R). I see that Senator Smith (R-NH)was one third of the votes against her. President Bush helped defeat him a decade later, that says a lot.

[Cboldt]

You mean like listing all the moderate R Senators that voted for Ginsburg?

I listed all the GOP Senators that voted for Ginsburg. It's a matter of sterile fact.

The fact that you resort to lumping it in with "tricks that amount to sophistry, or other forms of intellectual dishonesty" speaks to your ethics, not mine.

[RFEngineer]

In politics as in life, one must decide one's bedrock principles and then you make your decisions with those principles in mind.

For you to state that opposition on judicial appointments on reasonable grounds (even the most strident PRO Harriet Miers folks can't seriously believe there are NO reasonable grounds from which to oppose her) confers some heretical characteristics upon the opposer is patently absurd.

I can use your (faulty) logic to state that your blind support for GWB means you are anti-Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and Alexander Hamilton - because all of these men accepted that the federal government role must be limited, and GWB has grown gov't faster than anyone.

So what do you think? Are there NO grounds for reasonable men and women to hold opposition to Harriet Miers' nomination to the supreme court?

This is, of course, is a rhetorical question, because there is only one intellectually honest answer.

[governsleastgovernsbest]

For your information I have studied everything I can find regarding Miers. I contacted friends in Dallas who know the lady, and I also checked with lawyers who know her work.

Glad to hear it, but in the post to which I responded you explained your support of Miers exclusively in terms of your trust in W. Seems that you are now agreeing that consulting others is valuable.

So why not at least consider the views of your fellow FReepers? If you didn't think they had any merit, you presumably wouldn't have joined FR in the first place.

[fallujah-nuker]

"I likewise have trusted Bush on his choice of judges..."

I trust him about as much as I trust Vladimir Putin, in other words not very much.

[ez]

The Gunsburg vote Alphabetical by Senator Name
Akaka (D-HI), Yea
Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Bennett (R-UT), Yea
Biden (D-DE), Yea
Bingaman (D-NM), Yea
Bond (R-MO), Yea
Boren (D-OK), Yea
Boxer (D-CA), Yea
Bradley (D-NJ), Yea
Breaux (D-LA), Yea
Brown (R-CO), Yea
Bryan (D-NV), Yea
Bumpers (D-AR), Yea
Burns (R-MT), Yea
Byrd (D-WV), Yea
Campbell (D-CO), Yea
Chafee (R-RI), Yea
Coats (R-IN), Yea
Cochran (R-MS), Yea
Cohen (R-ME), Yea
Conrad (D-ND), Yea
Coverdell (R-GA), Yea
Craig (R-ID), Yea
D'Amato (R-NY), Yea
Danforth (R-MO), Yea
Daschle (D-SD), Yea
DeConcini (D-AZ), Yea
Dodd (D-CT), Yea
Dole (R-KS), Yea
Domenici (R-NM), Yea
Dorgan (D-ND), Yea
Durenberger (R-MN), Yea
Exon (D-NE), Yea
Faircloth (R-NC), Yea
Feingold (D-WI), Yea
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Ford (D-KY), Yea
Glenn (D-OH), Yea
Gorton (R-WA), Yea
Graham (D-FL), Yea
Gramm (R-TX), Yea
Grassley (R-IA), Yea
Gregg (R-NH), Yea
Harkin (D-IA), Yea
Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Hatfield (R-OR), Yea
Heflin (D-AL), Yea
Helms (R-NC), Nay
Hollings (D-SC), Yea
Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
Inouye (D-HI), Yea
Jeffords (R-VT), Yea
Johnston (D-LA), Yea
Kassebaum (R-KS), Yea
Kempthorne (R-ID), Yea
Kennedy (D-MA), Yea
Kerrey (D-NE), Yea
Kerry (D-MA), Yea
Kohl (D-WI), Yea
Lautenberg (D-NJ), Yea
Leahy (D-VT), Yea
Levin (D-MI), Yea
Lieberman (D-CT), Yea
Lott (R-MS), Yea
Lugar (R-IN), Yea
Mack (R-FL), Yea
Mathews (D-TN), Yea
McCain (R-AZ), Yea
McConnell (R-KY), Yea
Metzenbaum (D-OH), Yea
Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
Mitchell (D-ME), Yea
Moseley-Braun (D-IL), Yea
Moynihan (D-NY), Yea
Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Yea
Nickles (R-OK), Nay
Nunn (D-GA), Yea
Packwood (R-OR), Yea
Pell (D-RI), Yea
Pressler (R-SD), Yea
Pryor (D-AR), Yea
Reid (D-NV), Yea
Riegle (D-MI), Not Voting
Robb (D-VA), Yea
Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Roth (R-DE), Yea
Sarbanes (D-MD), Yea
Sasser (D-TN), Yea
Shelby (D-AL), Yea
Simon (D-IL), Yea
Simpson (R-WY), Yea
Smith (R-NH), Nay
Specter (R-PA), Yea
Stevens (R-AK), Yea
Thurmond (R-SC), Yea
Wallop (R-WY), Yea
Warner (R-VA), Yea
Wellstone (D-MN), Yea
Wofford (D-PA), Yea

[governsleastgovernsbest]

Here is another post from a malcontent.

Yes, I'm very malcontent with this selection. But by the same token, I have ardently supported W on a host of other issues when I felt he was right. Do you have a problem with that?

[ez]

R Senators that voted for Ginsburg

Bennett (R-UT), Yea
Bond (R-MO), Yea
Brown (R-CO), Yea
Burns (R-MT), Yea
Chafee (R-RI), Yea
Coats (R-IN), Yea
Cochran (R-MS), Yea
Cohen (R-ME), Yea
Coverdell (R-GA), Yea
Craig (R-ID), Yea
D'Amato (R-NY), Yea
Danforth (R-MO), Yea
Dole (R-KS), Yea
Domenici (R-NM), Yea
Durenberger (R-MN), Yea
Faircloth (R-NC), Yea
Gorton (R-WA), Yea
Gramm (R-TX), Yea
Grassley (R-IA), Yea
Gregg (R-NH), Yea
Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Hatfield (R-OR), Yea
Helms (R-NC), Nay
Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
Jeffords (R-VT), Yea
Kassebaum (R-KS), Yea
Kempthorne (R-ID), Yea
Lott (R-MS), Yea
Lugar (R-IN), Yea
Mack (R-FL), Yea
McCain (R-AZ), Yea
McConnell (R-KY), Yea
Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Nickles (R-OK), Nay
Packwood (R-OR), Yea
Pressler (R-SD), Yea
Roth (R-DE), Yea
Simpson (R-WY), Yea
Smith (R-NH), Nay
Specter (R-PA), Yea
Stevens (R-AK), Yea
Thurmond (R-SC), Yea
Wallop (R-WY), Yea
Warner (R-VA), Yea
Wellstone (D-MN), Yea
Wofford (D-PA), Yea

[governsleastgovernsbest]

Of course not, that would you appear stupid.

Helpful hint to ez: in posts accusing someone else of being stupid, endeavor to avoid glaring errors yourself.

[ez]

Correct. It is the President's choice, and I hold him fully responsible for this embarrassingly weak nomination.

And I hold you responsible for this embarrassing rift in the conservative movement.

[governsleastgovernsbest]

Interesting. Do I gather she's saying that although she feels unqualified for the SC, she considers Miers that much less so?