Polls show tighter race in Poland

The International Herald Tribune ^ | FRIDAY, OCTOBER 21, 2005

[A. Pole]

The Two That Stole the Moon bump!

[Grzegorz 246]

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[REactor]

This one is good too:

I can't stand Jaroslaw, he is a hateful little gnome. Lech is nicer, but too aggresive and nasty for my taste. I will vote for Tusk. Are you a Pole, Mr. A.Pole?

[Porterville]

Well after WWII the race would be tighter.... not that kind of race?

[A. Pole]

Ja przedtem wolalem Tuska. Ale jak sie dowiedzalem ze jest liberalem wole Kaczynskiego.

[REactor]

Wolne zarty. Nie wiesz ze liberal u nas to calkiem co innego niz u was?

[A. Pole]

Wolne zarty. Nie wiesz ze liberal u nas to calkiem co innego niz u was?

Wiem, uzylem tego slowa w znaczeniu uzywanym poza Stanami. Liberal to wyznawca wolnego rynku i panstwa stroza czyli UPRowiec.

[REactor]

You know that Tusk supports free-market economy and THAT is why you don't like him? Sorrry, but I don't understand. What are you doing on this forum? I could understand if you were a Buchanan-like conservative, but as far as I know you are not. So what's wrong with you?

HO HO HO, the DUCKS have got go!!

[A. Pole]

I could understand if you were a Buchanan-like conservative, but as far as I know you are not.

Actually I am. You could describe my position as social conservative or paleo-conservative. On issues of market and labor my views are more or less in sync with the traditional Christian doctrine as expressed by the papal encyclicals. I supported Solidarity and not Bagsik or Khodorkovsky.

I think that Kaczynski is closer to Buchanan than Tusk.

[A. Pole]

HO HO HO, the DUCKS have got go!!

What about Donald Dusk?

To make you laugh, there is one guy on Polish forums who does not like brothers Kaczynski's and uses the following tagline:

"Ein Volk, ein Reich, zwei Kaczoren!" (Kaczor - he-duck or drake in Polish)

[REactor]

I think that Kaczynski is closer to Buchanan than Tusk.

That's true. And that's why I won't vote for him. This is not the place for the discussion on the basic economics, but if you take JPII's teaching seriously you should read Michael Novak's books and articles. And in Polish you should read: profs. Legutko and Kuninski from UJ. Catholic teaching on economy is perfectly in accordance with free market.

[REactor]

"Ein Volk, ein Reich, zwei Kaczoren!" (Kaczor - he-duck or drake in Polish)

Oh yes I saw this on Gazeta.pl (I'm a forum addict), was it? But Kaczor a "drake" in Polish?? WHAT are you talking about, excuse me???

[REactor]

OOOOOps, I just looked up my dictionary. I confused drake with dragon. sorry.

[A. Pole]

but if you take JPII's teaching seriously you should read Michael Novak's books and articles.

JPII and other popes condemned the free market doctrine. Michael Novak is wrong.

And in Polish you should read: profs. Legutko and Kuninski from UJ. Catholic teaching on economy is perfectly in accordance with free market.

This is not true. Roman Catholic Church repeatedly condemned the twin errors of socialism and liberalism (Communism and Freemarketeerism).

Do not take my word, here are the proofs:

RERUM NOVARUM - ON CAPITAL AND LABOR

Centesimus Annus - Hundredth Anniversary of Rerum Novarum

QUADRAGESIMO ANNO - ON RECONSTRUCTION OF THE SOCIAL ORDER

QUOD APOSTOLICI MUNERIS - ON SOCIALISM

[A. Pole]

But Kaczor a "drake" in Polish?? WHAT are you talking about, excuse me???

he-duck/male duck/drake [in English] = kaczor in Polish.

[REactor]

It's very difficult to read Church's documents when you are not versed in the ecclesiastical idiom. I confess that reading most of JPII's encyclicals makes me sleep. That's why I (and we all Catholics I think) need interpretation:

Papież i kapitalizm
The text above comes from the ultra-Catholic Polish website Opoka. I understand that you can interpret Church's teaching in many different ways, but you must always have in mind that Catholic socio-economic order must be in accordance with the truth. I assume that in this case "truth" means truth, i.e. this economic theory which has proven to be more in accordance with facts. And which theory is more in accordance wih facts than that of F.Hayek and M.Friedmann?

[Ciexyz]

Kudos to our friends and allies in Poland as they prepare to vote Sunday.

[lizol]

If someone can't decide - whether to vote for Donald or Kaczor (Duck) - my suggestion is this candidate :-)))

[Heatseeker]

When will we get results or exit polls? I've been up all night and need to get some sleep but will stay up if they are coming soon.