[jmc1969]

I don't know who is worse AP or Bill Moyers.

[highlander_UW]

"He compared conservative Christian activists with Muslim."

And such a comparison shows just how stupid Moyers is. Jesus teaches us to love our neighbor, Islam teaches us to blow our neighbor up if he isn't a muslim of the same sect. Or as it has been said, in Christianity God sent His son to die for us, in Islam we are to send our sons to kill for Allah.

[md2576]

He attacked the claim that Katrina was God's judgment upon New Orleans for its "debauchery and ribald behavior."
      Citing the Genesis flood, Russell said when God enacts judgment in the Bible "he doesn't seem to allow the unrighteous to escape or the righteous to perish." Moreover God gives a warning and opportunity for repentance before calamity comes.

Now how does he know righteous people didn't perish in the great flood? If it's what you believe then there will be an ultimate judgment for everyone, just not perhaps all at once. To say that only unrighteous people were affected by the wrath of the Katrina God is as asinine as his assumption God gives a warning and opportunity before calamity comes. He gave us one warning, The end will come! Your life here is your opportunity for repentance and calamity will come throughout it.

[Iris7]

Moyers is raving. When the Lord decides to punish there will be no doubt whatever about what is happening. The small stuff happening these days looks to me to be simply that the wages of sin are death.

Speaking of the wages of sin, the H5N1 virus is getting around pretty fair in south China. Suggest all keep an eye on the situation. Probability is pretty low, but could require pulling the kids out of school and not going to work for some weeks. Could kill 90% of infected people over forty five if it goes person to person and once the hospitals are overloaded. Maybe a third to a half of the younger ones. Maybe way less, way less. Bears watching.

[connectthedots]

God punishes stupidity. Build a city at below sea level in a hurricane area and sooner or later, it'll be under water.

[KarinG1]

I don't think any of the recent disasters are punishment, and I'm not saying that they necessarily mean anything, but read the thirteenth book of Mark in the New Testament and decide for yourselves. Once again, I'm not trying to infer anything, just suggesting some reading material.

[newzjunkey]

Moyers is worse.

The AP, being a vast collective, might actually stumble upon something resembling facts and balance in its reporting. Sometimes.

Moyers is an extremist ideologue wrapped up in faux "credibility."

[Guard Dog]

Religious leaders have yet to weigh in on Hurricane Wilma, but one of Israel's retired chief rabbis, Ovadia Yosef, called its forerunner, Katrina, "God's retribution" against Bush for supporting Israel's withdrawal of settlers from Gaza — a view quickly denounced by other Jewish leaders.

He attacked the claim that Katrina was God's judgment upon New Orleans for its "debauchery and ribald behavior."

and a taped statement attributed to al-Qaida leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

Okay! So Katrina is God's punishment for what now? Supporting Israel, not supporting Israel, Mardi Gras? What terrible sin can we lay at the feet of poor Marco Island when Wilma hits it Monday night? Here is the problem when we begin to believe natural disasters are macro scale punishments: The concept of crime and punishment are human concepts. God is not human. Isaiah 55:8 states For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. . As was posted further up, the lesson of Job is that God is not for the likes of us to understand but I doubt, seriously doubt, these disasters could ever be construed as punishment. Somtimes, a thing just is what it is. A hurricane is just a hurricane. A natural effect of warm water, unstable air, and the rotation of the earth.

[nopardons]

It's a tie. :-)

[azhenfud]

Disasters will occur, lif'es mortality rate is 100%.

If our Master died such a cruel death, who are we to reason what manner of expiration is just for us? We are commanded to be ready.

[pageonetoo]

[impatient]

Now we know.

Moyers is Divine Retribution against the members of "New York's Union Theological Seminary" for inviting him as their keynote speaker and giving him some d@mn award.

[Just mythoughts]

There is no one on this planet that can claim that hurricane Kat happened without a warning. That should be the lesson of the whole event. A warning to escape was given and not everyone took heed to the warning.

Hard for me to say which did the most damage the flood waters that overflowed inadequate levies or the flood of lies spewed by humans about what happened during and after the fact.

[DrewsDad]

His point: It's dangerous to "read the Bible as literally true" and liberals must resist those holding that belief.

No, it's dangerous to claim that the original meaning applies directly to every situation that arises today and all should resist those holding that belief.

[Nevadan]

I read the following (dated 10-3-05 from a blog at STR.org) by Melinda Penner and thought it was excellent:

Presumption & Hubris
Since Hurrican Katrina, some Christians have speculated about whether it was God's judgment on New Orleans. Some have declared God's intent in the natural events. This goes beyond our authority to speak on God's behalf and declare His Word - because God hasn't declared His will in this event.

New Orelans and the Gulf Coast is full of sinners - so is the rest of the country and world. For goodness' sake, the French Quarter, arguably the locus of celebrating evil behavior, was spared the worst of the hurricane and flooding. If God wanted to use a hurricane to judge sinners, which He is capable of and has the moral authority to do, there are sure a lot of other places full of sinners worthy of judgment. Simply pointing out that sinners lived in the area isn't enough to conclude God's judgment.

Frankly, we're all worthy of judgment absent Jesus' forgiveness. God has commissioned us to speak for Him but only in what He has revealed. He's told us that humans are all sinners and in need of His grace to be reconciled to Him and be part of His Kingdom. That's true for every human being. However, imputing God's intentions to natural events is not part of that message because God has not revealed His will about that event. It's possible it was God's judgment, but we can never know without His specifically revealing His intentions.

A good ambassador accurately and boldly represents the views of the one who has sent him; but the ambassador also dare not go beyond the authority granted him.

It's simply presumptuous and hubris to speak for God when He hasn't spoken Himself. We're His messengers and must speak for Him only as we have been commissioned. To do otherwise, since we are His messengers, is to risk bringing dishonor to God. There are lots of ordinary ways and then spectacular ways that Christians impute God's will when He hasn't revealed it. We'd all do well to be cautious when representing God's will.

[yarddog]

I recall reading where Jesus told his followers that those killed when the tower of Siloam fell were simply killed because they happened to be in the wrong place, not because of their sin.

About the only case in recent times in which I wondered if God may have intervened was the Jonestown suicides. That was a strange event among people following a truly Satanic character.

I have read that he used to stomp on a Bible during his sermons and other desecrations which I don't even want to describe.

Rosalyn carter attended his church and praised him btw.

[DeweyCA]

America's "homegrown ayatollahs," [conservative Christians]he stated, are deceitful bullies whose "viral intolerance" undergirds "an unprecedented sectarian crusade for state power" and "political holy war financed by wealthy economic interests."

Does Moyers exude love and tolerance and belief in multi-culturalism? /sarcasm

Moyers is the bigoted deceitful intolerant bully who is consumed with the quest for state power and financed by wealthy unions and people like George Soros.

[DeweyCA]

Bill Moyers, more and more, reminds me of Jimmy Carter, a person who tries to portray himself as a loving southern Christian, but who is a arrogant,petty, bitter, raving liberal who despises conservative Christians.

[anonymoussierra]

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[Coyoteman]

Is nature used to punish sinful acts?

No.

[Dumb_Ox]

Moyers is a bloviator of biblical proportions.

I suspect any affliction is a chastisement for sin, an opportunity to repent and make reparations. It is rather difficult to figure out which sins are being singled out, and to claim everything bad to be a chastisement is just as consistent as claiming nothing is.