The tax-withholding scam

WorldNetDaily ^ | 21 OCT 05 | Devvy Kidd

[fifthvirginia]

Has your "representative" in Congress ever told you that no law compels a work-eligible man or woman to submit a form W-4 or W-9 (or their equivalent) nor disclose a Social Security number as a condition of being hired or keeping one's job?

[Bommer]

Oh so your saying that he made up all his stuff?

[AntiScumbag]

Just TRY to be a business that participates in a tax protest, or does not file a Quarterly. Just try it.

Perhaps the tax protester types on this thread would like to ask Dick Simkanin or Al Thompson how well that works. Both of them refused to withhold on their employees' wages.

Here are their address for the next few years:

RICHARD SIMKANIN #30383-177
FCI TEXARKANA
FEDERAL CORRECTIONAL INSTITUTION
P.O. BOX 7000
TEXARKANA, TX 75505

WALTER ALLEN THOMPSON #15089-097
CI TAFT
CORRECTIONAL INSTITUTION
P.O. BOX 7001
TAFT, CA 93268

Simkanin got 7 years, Thompson got 6.

[AntiScumbag]

Oh so your saying that he made up all his stuff?

"Made up"? Yup. That's a good description.

For instance, "There were 48 states at that time..."

There were 46 states, not 48, in 1909. But that's just one of many things wrong with his garbage. There's a good summary of all of the fatal mistakes this scammer made in his "findings" at Quatloos.

If you care to look around, there's also a bunch of information out there about "clients" of his who either went to jail or were hung out to dry by the IRS after following his idiocy.

[Gorzaloon]

ROFL!!!!

Thanks!

I usually do not get many people agreeing with me on here, but when it happens it happens with STYLE!

[crz]

We've been through this all before.

Fact is Geez. they aint ever gonna repeal the present tax system and you and I know it. I doubt whether it will EVER get debated in both Houses of Congress. The American people expect to have their money taken from them and they have got used to the Date "April 15th" each year. What the hell..they got a good thing going and they know it and hell will freeze over before they change the law. All they gotta do to gain more revenue is simply jack up the rates or play with the code.

The only way this system is scrapped is by out and out defiance by the people in the USA which will never happen in our lifetime.

[Paul C. Jesup]

crz: Fact is Geez. they aint ever gonna repeal the present tax system and you and I know it.

On the contary crz, things are changing. We have seven more Congressmen and Senators signed up in support of Fairtax in the last month. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1505596/posts?page=10#10

Things are looking up.

[Lurking Libertarian]

IT WAS REPEALED! What part of this dont folks understand?

It wasn't repealed. It's still in the Internal Revenue Code. Devvy is just plain making stuff up.

[ancient_geezer]

Fact is Geez. they aint ever gonna repeal the present tax system and you and I know it.

Actually I don't "know" that at all. While the probable outcome, say across the next decade, may indeed be that. It is by no means a certainty with the growing disgust with the income tax both in and out of government.;

I doubt whether it will EVER get debated in both Houses of Congress.

Debate in both is an event that will almost certainly take place before the end of Bush's term in the presidency. What comes of it is up to how much the electorate pushes to see change.

The only way this system is scrapped is by out and out defiance by the people in the USA which will never happen in our lifetime.

I actually figure the scrapping for the current system to be inevitable for international trade reasons. What is we put in place instead of the current income/payroll tax system is the only question mark as I see it. What we replace it with depends highly upon what the electorate goes for which is why the debate we have today is so important.

[AntiScumbag]

Since one may always safely assume that anything written by Devvy Kidd is full of it right up to its eyeballs, I only now bothered to read her latest blathering.

I wasn't disappointed. The crux of her baloney boils down to this:

The Code of Federal Regulations clearly advises the employers at 26 CFR §31.3402(p)-1(a): "An employee who desires to enter into an agreement for withholding ... shall furnish his employer with Form W-4 (or its equivalent) for withholding. The furnishing of such Form W-4 shall constitute a request for withholding." Then, 31 CFR §215.2(n)(1) clearly tells the employers they cannot take amounts from the workers' pay for any form of state tax unless the employee voluntarily elects to have such sums withheld.

Which is a total and absolute deception. A complete misrepresentation of the withholding regulations.

A go-to-jail moment if you believe it and act on it.

First, she yaps about voluntary federal withholding. Voluntary withholding is an amount over and above regular required withholding which any employee may request for whatever reason. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with required withholding under 31.3402(a)-1 'Requirement of withholding.'

Then, she adds, in a discussion of federal withholding, 31 CFR 215.2(n)(1). What is Part 215 about?

PART 215 - WITHHOLDING OF DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA, STATE, CITY AND COUNTY INCOME OR EMPLOYMENT TAXES BY FEDERAL AGENCIES

Funny, that doesn't seem to have anything to do with federal withholding. Well, actually, it's not funny, as using cases or quotes out of context or off-point is par for the course for Schulz, Kidd and all the rest of the scammers.

Neat trick, huh?

Ignore the mandatory withholding provisions, blather about voluntary withholding and then slip in a non-germane reference to state and local withholding. All with seemingly well-researched, authoritative cites to the CFR.

Lie and then compound the lie with meaningless gibberish. It sounds very impressive to the marks out there. Brilliant!

You [fifthvirginia] deserve credit for promoting the whacked-out thoughts of an incompetent lunatic. The same thoughts which were promoted by Bob Schulz's We The People Foundation, Devvy Kidd's former employer. She and Bob had a falling out, but WTP and Kidd still promote the same garbage.

WTP is the fundraising scam outfit targeted at tax kooks. They promoted this crapola using freshly-minted felon Dicky Simkanin. He was the poster-boy featured in a USA Today ad that WTP bought to promote this nonsense and raise more money from the gullible.

The very same idiocy that Kidd promotes was used by Simkanin in his useless "MEMORANDUM #1" to the grand jury which indicted him. In it he says:

b. I had been misled to believe that my workers were compelled to submit a federal W-4 withholding certificate in order to work for me, which is clearly not true. Note 5.

c. I had been misled to believe that neither my company, nor my workers could terminate a W-4 withholding certificate, which is clearly not true. Note 6.

Note 5 See 31 CFR 215.2(n)(1), 215.6, 215.9 and 215.11. See also 26 USC 3402 (p)(3)(A). [There is no (p)(3)(A). As you can tell by now, Simkanin is a moron]

Note 6 See 26 CFR 31.3402(p)-1(b)(2).

How about that? Same lame garbage. Same cites. Same stupid stuff. That's because Dicky drank deeply of the WTP/Bob Schulz/Devvy Kidd Kool-Aid.

Delusional Devvy seems to subscribe to the theory that when merely ranting about the Federal Reserve isn't quite enough, you can still convince the marks. Quote off-point stuff, toss in some non-germane stuff, and then twist it all into a pretzel. Add obscure references to the CFR which hopefully nobody will look up because it sounds authoritative.

Sounds and works great until someone reading the crap believes it and goes to jail for 7 years.