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Young guns take up arms: Women, children seen as future of hunting
MetroWest Daily News ^ | October 16, 2005 | Rick Holland

Posted on 10/20/2005 9:02:54 PM PDT by tarawa

Young guns take up arms: Women, children seen as future of hunting

By Rick Holland / Daily News Staff

Sunday, October 16, 2005

A coonskin cap, the must-have accessory for boys growing up in the mid-1950s, was emblematic of the television hero character who wore it: Davy Crockett.

Kids in those innocent times were drawn to Crockett's rugged but compassionate and defiantly outdoor persona, as played by Fess Parker.

Parker's Davy Crockett also was beloved for his infallibility in skirmishes with Indians and his uncanny skill with a rifle.

Fess Parker and his TV role were long ago relegated to the storage room. But the surge and swoon in popularity for the outdoorsman-as-hero does not mean kids have completely turned their back on the thrill of holding, loading and firing a rifle.

Over the past dozen years, for example, the Maspenock Rod & Gun Club in Milford has helped cultivate the interest of shooters from ages 11 to 18 as part of its Junior Rifle Marksmanship program.

"I would rather see kids in my program or one like it, than sitting in front of video games or television," said David Gregoire, a Maspenock member who leads the club's junior program. "In front of a video screen, kids aren't learning anything, but participating in this program they learn self-respect, accountability, responsibility and patience."

For Milford's Steven Dorsey, 12, it's all about the patches.

With weekly practice sessions at the club, Dorsey has the opportunity to earn progressively higher accuracy designations, from "pro-marksman" to "expert," with patches and gold sew-on bars to signify his advancement.

"I like (shooting) because I'm earning (higher) ranks," Dorsey said.

The feelings of achievement and accomplishment are among the most valuable parts of the youth program, according to Gregoire.

"The kids can prove to themselves they can do something really well, something their peers don't even think about," he said.

Youth programs such as Maspenock's have even changed the minds of some parents who acknowledge a preference for soccer balls over shotguns.

Lynn Isabelle, a Medway resident, has watched her son Brendan, 13, go from "expressing an interest" in shooting when he was 11, to his status as a two-year veteran of the youth program.

"I will first tell you that I'm not into guns," said Isabelle. Her stance on the matter was a topic for discussion when, as a college student, she met her husband, John, who had been an avid hunter and shooter as a teen.

"When we met, I encouraged him to shoot pictures instead of guns," Isabelle said.

But getting to know Michelle St. Gelais, who assists Gregoire with the youth program at Maspenock, helped Isabelle decide her son would be safe.

"I met Michelle and liked her very much, and I trusted her very much," said Isabelle. She stayed to watch a couple of the two-hour sessions after enrolling her son in the program, and felt comfortable based on the experience.

"The kids have a good time, and the sessions are very well supervised and controlled....There's no fooling around," she said.

Testimony such as Isabelle's represents light at the end of an otherwise bleak tunnel for hunting and shooting advocates such as Mark Tisa, assistant director for the state's Division of Fisheries and Wildlife.

Call it a vestige of the Fess Parker syndrome, because nationwide over the past 20 years, the number of hunters has dropped by nearly 2 million, according to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. The agency's most recent attempt to collect participation data on young hunters -- 6 to 15 years old -- in Massachusetts was not tabulated because the "sample size was too small to report data reliably."

Tisa, 49, said density of housing and development is one factor that has reduced the space and opportunity for hunting over the past two or three decades, but he said societal factors such as high divorce rates and single-parent homes are also to blame.

"We've done research, and it's shown that the greatest impediment to kids hunting is the absence of a mentor to teach them," said Tisa. "My mother and father didn't hunt, but my grandfather taught me."

Though he is aware of opposing opinions, Tisa said hunting and shooting should not be suffering participation declines over concerns about safety or the notion that learning about guns encourages violent behavior in kids or adults.

"If you look at any safety statistics, you have a greater chance of being killed going skiing than you do hunting or shooting," said Tisa. "And I don't know where there's any evidence of people learning how to become hunters and then taking guns and using them in acts of violence."

Other attitudes may also be affecting participation, even among adults who hunt.

"I find the interest in hunting is waning," said Franklin Police Lt. Stephan Semerjian. "But the camaraderie, being outdoors in the wilderness -- everything about hunting is fun. The worst part is knowing that you just took an animal's life. There's always a sadness about that...a deer isn't like a fish. You can't throw it back."

Young shooters can practice on a less sensitive target. One depicting "Barney," the popular purple dinosaur of public television fame, can be downloaded from the Junior Rifle Committee section of the Web site for the Hopkinton Sportsmen's Association.

Because of the physical and attitudinal challenges to getting children involved in shooting and hunting, advocacy groups such as the National Shooting Sports Foundation are beginning to spend money at the local level.

For example, the foundation provided a recent grant to launch the state's Young Adult Pheasant Hunt Program this summer, an initiative to "provide young hunters (ages 12 to 17) with a positive outdoor hunting experience..." according to the program guide. Yesterday was the last of six consecutive Saturdays designated for the young adult program statewide.

By state law, kids under 12 could not participate in the hunt, and those between the ages of 15 and 17 had to have a Firearms Identification Card and a valid hunting license. All participants had to complete the state's Hunter Education Program before signing up for the pheasant hunt.

Tisa said he hopes that not only will help the program attract a new generation of hunters, it also will inspire parents to take up the sport. He is also hoping to see a continued breakdown of attitudes that have kept girls and women on the sidelines when it comes to shooting. In the Maspenock youth program, Gregoire said boys outnumber girls by about 10 to 1.

"All I know is that generally when a girl comes through the program, they shoot better than the boys," said Gregoire. "At the 2000 (Summer) Olympics, you know who won the very first gold medal? It was a woman (Nancy Johnson) from the U.S. shooting an air rifle."

"One of my biggest goals is to get women and younger kids involved in fishing, hunting and shooting. I think we suffer greatly by not having more of them involved," said Tisa. To that end, Ellie Horowitz, MassWildlife's chief of information and education, runs a year-round series of workshops under a program called "Becoming an Outdoor Woman."

The program is open to women who are at least 18 and teaches them a variety of "skills traditionally passed from father to son," according to Tisa. In addition to hunting instruction, the program has offered courses on everything from kayaking and archery, to nature photography and recognizing edible plants.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: banglist; generationy; guns; hunting

1 posted on 10/20/2005 9:02:57 PM PDT by tarawa
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To: basil

You might like this one....


2 posted on 10/20/2005 9:04:04 PM PDT by tarawa
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To: Baynative
"I would rather see kids in my program or one like it, than sitting in front of video games or television," said David Gregoire...

Wow, A Gregoire that talks my language.

No way related to our Gregoire 8>)

3 posted on 10/20/2005 9:08:56 PM PDT by Horatio Gates (Lube it or lose it.)
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To: cowboyway

Since you're still up. I'll ping you to a red-neck woman thread.


4 posted on 10/20/2005 9:10:23 PM PDT by colorcountry (Proud Parent of a Soldier (and Parent-in-law of a Soldier))
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To: tarawa

What is this?

The liberal heart attack inducement thread.


5 posted on 10/20/2005 9:12:44 PM PDT by JakeWyld (WAAAAAZZZZUUUUUP!)
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To: tarawa
"And I don't know where there's any evidence of people learning how to become hunters and then taking guns and using them in acts of violence."

"A Hmong immigrant fatally shot six deer hunters who managed to shoot back once -- maybe twice -- after a confrontation about trespassing in the woods of northern Wisconsin, a criminal complaint says"

"Vang, a deer hunter since 1992, told investigators the other hunters used racial slurs and profanity as they told him to leave, and they fired the first shot at him -- suggesting he acted in self-defense."

Deer Hunter Murders

Well, almost no evidence.

6 posted on 10/20/2005 9:15:31 PM PDT by cowboyway (My heroes have always been cowboys.)
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To: tarawa
"Young shooters can practice on a less sensitive target. One depicting "Barney," the popular purple dinosaur of public television fame, can be downloaded from the Junior Rifle Committee section of the Web site for the Hopkinton Sportsmen's Association. "

OH MY GOD! Shooting at "Barney" targets? What are these people thinking? Watch out , Bambi!

7 posted on 10/20/2005 9:19:27 PM PDT by de Buillion (Perspective: 1880 dead Heroes in 3 yr vs. 3589 abortions EVERY DAY , 1999, USA.)
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To: colorcountry

Anybody here personally own a Sig? I'm thinking of getting a P-220.


8 posted on 10/20/2005 9:19:50 PM PDT by Rocky Mountain High
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To: colorcountry
Since you're still up. I'll ping you to a red-neck woman thread.

Well....I'm waiting....

9 posted on 10/20/2005 9:23:30 PM PDT by cowboyway (My heroes have always been cowboys.)
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To: Rocky Mountain High

A Sig? Oh, I thought you meant Cig. I was going to ask if you needed a light.

I hunt with a bow (and arrows){lots of them}.


10 posted on 10/20/2005 9:26:08 PM PDT by colorcountry (Proud Parent of a Soldier (and Parent-in-law of a Soldier))
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To: cowboyway

Well....um the Vang trial. I'm not sure he was taught to hunt animals? Or something like that. Perhaps he was hunting Barney....


11 posted on 10/20/2005 9:27:59 PM PDT by colorcountry (Proud Parent of a Soldier (and Parent-in-law of a Soldier))
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To: tarawa

We know some families where the teenaged girls go hunting with their father. My daughter spent the weekend with them and now wants to learn to hunt. She loves venison, but she's really not the outdoorsy type. We're trying to get set up with another family to get some shooting and gun safety lessons, though. It's a little tough getting used to the idea of guns. Being raised as a city slicker and not growing up with them but associating them with crime and all due to the liberal brainwashing propaganda machine, it's a stretch learning to be comfortable around them but I believe that it's important to do.


12 posted on 10/20/2005 9:40:36 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: cowboyway

But seriously, I know you like guns and huntin' and a good bird dog, so I asked myself, "Self, why don't you ping cowboyway to a thread about wimmin' and huntin' since he's up so late and all."

And that's about it.

Happy Trails


13 posted on 10/20/2005 9:41:28 PM PDT by colorcountry (Proud Parent of a Soldier (and Parent-in-law of a Soldier))
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To: tarawa
Rick Holland must not have children or else he would know what our schools are teaching the kids about the evil, smelly, nasty, yucky, diseased killer guns.

Just having one in your home will guarantee that some dark, rainy night, in between the lighting bolts, it will kill you and your kids!

The to go out and kill Bambi. There isn't anything more despicable than that not even bestiality!
14 posted on 10/20/2005 10:25:26 PM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: tarawa

Hunting is a great family sport. Those cold frosty evenings spent together in a toasty high wall tent with the wood burning stove going were shining times for our family when the kids were young.

We meat hunted, but the taking was secondary to the other good things we did then is what counted with us all.


15 posted on 10/20/2005 10:44:40 PM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: Rocky Mountain High

have a p220 in 38 super. love it. after checking the ballistics, i believe that it should be plenty to take out a whitetail. i'll be testing it this year.


16 posted on 10/21/2005 7:19:18 AM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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