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Kristol brings case against Miers to town: Conservative decries Bush pick
Seattle Post-Intelligencer ^ | 10/20/5 | Neil Modie

Posted on 10/20/2005 10:02:51 AM PDT by Crackingham

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To: sinkspur
He usually just says "me too" when Scalia votes and writes an opinion.

Somebody posted some stats yesterday on how often any two justices have agreed with each other. The Thomas-Scalia combination ranked only about 7th with about 70% or so of their decisions matching. I personally think Thomas is the better of the two.

21 posted on 10/20/2005 10:35:55 AM PDT by jmc813 (Don't lick toad)
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To: Victoria Delsoul

Miers ping #2.


22 posted on 10/20/2005 10:37:04 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but Lord I'm free.)
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To: Crackingham

Kristol is not a conservative, and doesn't speak for me on Miers. He is a whiny little wimp who like his candidate McCain takes whatever position will get him into the newspapers.


23 posted on 10/20/2005 10:39:07 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: sinkspur
Oh, and tell me. What arguments have Clarence Thomas made that have influenced the future of American jurisprudence? He usually just says "me too" when Scalia votes and writes an opinion.

To say he just says "me too" when Scalia writes an opinion shows your ignorance of Supreme Court jurisprudence. Scalia and Thomas have different views of Constitutional law and disagree on many cases. Scalia is a textualist and Thomas is an originalist. Thomas has written many powerful dissents, such as the U. of Mich case this year.

And, if Scalia is such a domineering voice on the court, how come he hasn't been able to swing O'Connor and Kennedy more his way?

You love to base arguments on speculation, don't you? How do you know that in the cases he votes with Scalia, they wouldn't have voted the other way but for his convincing? You also need to start thinking long term. It isn't all about convincing fellow judges on the SCOTUS. It is also about presenting intellectual arguments to change the course of thought in legal acedemia. Without Scalia or Thomas on the Court, law students (i.e. future judges) would hear the rantings of Ginsberg and Souter with no intelligent counterargument and become Ginsbergs and Souters themselves.

24 posted on 10/20/2005 10:39:51 AM PDT by Texas Federalist (qualified to serve on the United States Supreme Court)
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To: Map Kernow
That's scarey, too: she doesn't know enough about judicial ethics to know when she has to recuse herself?

No Supreme Court justice has to recuse themselves on any case. Look at Scalia. The only cases he has recused himself on is one or two that may have mentioned his son.

He didn't recuse himself from the case about Cheney's energy committee, even though liberals (and some conservatives) were saying he should because he goes duck-hunting with Cheney every year.

Recusals are at the discretion of the justice.

25 posted on 10/20/2005 10:45:06 AM PDT by sinkspur (If you're not willing to give Harriett Miers a hearing, I don't give a damn what you think.)
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To: jmc813; sinkspur
The Thomas-Scalia combination ranked only about 7th with about 70% or so of their decisions matching.

Percentage of cases in agreement in the 2004 term:

Souter/Ginsburg - 85%

Rehnquist/O'Connor - 79%

Rehnquist/Kennedy - 77%

Stevens/Souter - 77%

Ginsburg/Breyer - 77%

Thomas/Scalia - 73%

26 posted on 10/20/2005 10:45:47 AM PDT by Texas Federalist (qualified to serve on the United States Supreme Court)
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To: churchillbuff
>>>>What a stupid statement by you.

You may not like it, but its a careful and well reasoned remark. You act as though this is the first post I've made on the subject matter. Well, it isn't.

Kristol has been out there opining since he first heard that Bush`s pick was Miers. Along with other so-called conservative pundits, Kristol's endless criticism of both Bush and Miers has reached the point of serving no good purpose. They're now just senseless attacks that only give the Demlibrats ammo to shoot the the Prez and his nominee. In fact, it undermines the process and shows a total lack of resepct for the President's decision. Bush has a good track record of nominating/appointing solid conservatives to the federal courts. At this point, why not give Bush and Miers the benefit of the doubt, and allow Miers her opportunity to speak out in the Senate hearings.

27 posted on 10/20/2005 10:48:31 AM PDT by Reagan Man (Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
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To: Map Kernow

These are strange times when M. Malkin recommends a NYSlimes editorial.
Surely H. Miers didn't really believe that the 14th Amendment requires "proportional representation".

She might make a great justice, but if she says things like that in the hearings Leaky and Co. are going to grab a leg and make a wish.

(I know: 'Don't call me Shirley.')


28 posted on 10/20/2005 10:50:08 AM PDT by tumblindice
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To: sinkspur
What arguments have Clarence Thomas made that have influenced the future of American jurisprudence? He usually just says "me too" when Scalia votes and writes an opinion.

Now adding Clarence Thomas to the long list of conservatives getting trashed by Bush/Miers supporters. By the time this is all over, it will be Bush/Miers = Good, All Other Conservatives = Bad.

29 posted on 10/20/2005 10:50:57 AM PDT by Junior_G
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To: Junior_G
Now adding Clarence Thomas to the long list of conservatives getting trashed by Bush/Miers supporters.

Oh, stop crying! Thomas was viewed as a blank slate who had worked at the EEOC when he was named to the court in 1991. National Review said he "appeared more Souter-like."

But, I'm not one of those who wants a legal colossus on the Supreme Court as long as she votes the right way.

30 posted on 10/20/2005 10:55:30 AM PDT by sinkspur (If you're not willing to give Harriett Miers a hearing, I don't give a damn what you think.)
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To: sinkspur
No Supreme Court justice has to recuse themselves on any case. Look at Scalia. The only cases he has recused himself on is one or two that may have mentioned his son.

You didn't get my point---I said "judicial ethics," didn't I? It is unethical for a judge to hear and determine a matter on which he/she has rendered advice to one litigant---that's a clear conflict of interest. Maybe Miers won't have the backstop of a rule preventing her from hearing cases on which she has an obvious conflict---and maybe that's one of the reasons Bush picked her---but that sure doesn't prevent the Senators that have to pass on this nomination from finding out how she intends to "exercise her discretion," now does it? And if she doesn't answer---and so far she's not answering---that's another damn good reason to turn down this nominee.

31 posted on 10/20/2005 10:59:40 AM PDT by Map Kernow ("I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Reagan Man

Telling Kristol to STFU is a well-reasoned remark?

It sounds more like an angry, knee-jerk response to a pundit/columnist who is expressing an opinion that you don't like, and therefore, think he should be silenced, with the gratuitious 'he's entitled to his opinion' thrown in to make you look reasonable.


32 posted on 10/20/2005 11:02:02 AM PDT by Madeleine Ward
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To: sinkspur

Your tagline about sums it all up. It's sad what this issue has done to us. I thought we were all better than this.


33 posted on 10/20/2005 11:03:57 AM PDT by PjhCPA
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To: sinkspur; Junior_G
But, I'm not one of those who wants a legal colossus on the Supreme Court as long as she votes the right way.

Yeah, well deacon, since you have been here I have noticed that your "right way" takes a lot of opportunistic left turns.

34 posted on 10/20/2005 11:05:23 AM PDT by eskimo
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To: Crackingham

Kristol, the butt boy of John McPain, has been peddling his slander about the President to whomever will listen. He is a pathetic ninny.


35 posted on 10/20/2005 11:08:12 AM PDT by hgro (A)
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To: Crackingham
Just one single point:

Bush would end up not having moved the court to the right at all,"

How does he KNOW this? I understand those who fear this because we don't know enought about her, I agree that we don't know, and I want to know.

But how does he not only KNOW what her philosophy is, but also KNOWS that it isn't to the right of O'Conner?

36 posted on 10/20/2005 11:09:06 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Alberta's Child

Yes, I guess he does fit the NE liberal at heart category.


37 posted on 10/20/2005 11:13:21 AM PDT by CyberAnt (I BELIEVE CONGRESSMAN WELDON!)
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To: Carolinamom
How interesting that his speaking engagement is in Seattle. I guess he knows where to find his fans.

Last night Krauthammer seemed to be backing off and saying that anyone who deosn't think Bush is a conservative is foolish, and that he continues to support the president. Perhaps Krauthammer looked around at the people he is running with and had second thoughts. At least it seemed to me that while he was still critical of the nomination, he wasn't going to jump off the cliff with Kristol and Frumm.

38 posted on 10/20/2005 11:20:53 AM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's son and keep him strong.)
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To: sinkspur

DITTO!!!! AND AMEN!!!!!!!!!


39 posted on 10/20/2005 11:26:46 AM PDT by Virginia Queen (Virginia Queen)
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To: Miss Marple

Interesting you should say that about Krauthammer. I posted a message last week criticizing all of these "professional pundits" like George Will and William Kristol for their nonsensical/hypocritical opinions on this issue, and I made sure to include a caveat about Krauthammer. He may be a "professional pundit" by trade, but he does have a medical background and therefore doesn't really belong in the same category as some of those others.


40 posted on 10/20/2005 11:30:02 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but Lord I'm free.)
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