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To: RusIvan
One more "rossyanin" Neophyte with "who-knows" ethnical background.

What, the whole freaking thing is boiled down to a bastard word – Rossyanin?! It not only cannot be translated into any civilized language, but cannot be explained to a civilized person, too.

Your so called “theory of Russianness” (another freak of a word) nevertheless proves that I’m right and you’re wrong.

Point by point:

A) Felix Dzerzhinsky, as well as “rossyane” (or half-, quarterone-, one-sixteenth-rossyane?!) Pushkin, Fonvizin, Stalin, Yusupov, Frunze, Kamo, Tukhachevsky etc. was a subject of the Russian Empire, as all the Poles were for certain period. His political activities during the Bolshevik coup d’etate and the Civil War, as well as in their wake, were the activities of a Russian politician.

Since you’re not able to find a distinctive English (French, Italian, Maori….) equivalent for your preferred term “rossyi’sky”, the term is nonexistent.

B) As the political heir of the Russian Empire, the Soviet Union took over the entity as a whole, with all the assets and all the liabilities. In the same way, the contemporary Russian Federation is the heir to the former Soviet Union and cannot pick from the package on will – leaving nuisances like Molotov (and his pact with the buddy Ribbentrop), Beria or your obnoxious self to somebody else.

C) The theory that only the ones with a pure Russian bloodline are able and indeed have the right to form a reasonable opinion on events and processes in Russia would be laughable and worth of being held by a fan-club member and The Da Vinci Code aficionado... But no, it is too similar to the Nazi theories.

So let me, following your example, to coin my own term for you and your likes: LUBYANKA NAZIS.

403 posted on 10/31/2005 5:59:53 PM PST by Neophyte (Nazists, Communists, Islamists... what the heck is the difference?)
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To: Neophyte

What, the whole freaking thing is boiled down to a bastard word – Rossyanin?! It not only cannot be translated into any civilized language, but cannot be explained to a civilized person, too.===

"Rissyanin" means citizen of Russian Em,pire today is citizen of Russian Federation. "Russian" means the people of russian ethnicity. Pretty simple why you don't understand I cann't realize.

In many countries the citizenship differ with ethnicities. SO many russian live in Ukraine, Kazakhstan and baltic countries. But those russians are NOT "rossyanins".

Same way many arabs live in France and ISrael. But in both countries they are not french or jews but are citizens of both countries.
Is it difficult to percept?

Felix was "rossyanin" the citizen of RE I agree. But he wasn't ethnic russian. Since he wasn't one then russians didn't has the responsibilities for his actions.

B) As the political heir of the Russian Empire, the Soviet Union took over the entity as a whole, with all the assets and all the liabilities. In the same way, the contemporary Russian Federation is the heir to the former Soviet Union and cannot pick from the package on will – leaving nuisances like Molotov (and his pact with the buddy Ribbentrop), Beria or your obnoxious self to somebody else.==

Russian Empire was run by russian czar and russian administration.
Soviet Union was run by anti-russian international commie power.
Look what they did with Russian Church! SO again soviets and soviet power are nothing to do even enemies of russianry.

So let me, following your example, to coin my own term for you and your likes: LUBYANKA NAZIS.==

So all those jews of Israel are "LUBYANKA NAZIS" ACCORDING TO YOU since they don't accept arabs in thier country as trully jews sametime they don't deny thier citizenship of Israel.
Me too I don't deny the citizenship of Russia for you and your kind but I don't accept you as "russian". Be your own ethnicities get off of russianry.

Man when there won't be no ethnicities under the sun then you definition will work not before.

SO again I take good example from Israel and repeat you: "WHEN ISRAELITES ACCEPT ALL THIER ARAB CITIZENS AS TRUE "JEWS" I WILL ACCEPT YOU AS TRUE RUSSIAN".


405 posted on 10/31/2005 10:49:29 PM PST by RusIvan ("THINK!" the motto of IBM)
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To: Neophyte

C) The theory that only the ones with a pure Russian bloodline are able and indeed have the right to form a reasonable opinion on events and processes in Russia would be laughable and worth of being held by a fan-club member and The Da Vinci Code aficionado... ===

Did I voice that theory? You distort some words and put it to my mouth for polemic sake.

Here on FR many people of different decents discuss Russia each day. I didn't ever refuse thier rights to do so. How I may anyway? It is absolute right of intelegent being to think about anything.

I just refuse you as impostor to call youself as "russian". You are foreigner as many here. Or maybe you are rossyanin the citizen of RF of different then russian ethnicity.


406 posted on 10/31/2005 10:58:15 PM PST by RusIvan ("THINK!" the motto of IBM)
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