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To: Neophyte

What, the whole freaking thing is boiled down to a bastard word – Rossyanin?! It not only cannot be translated into any civilized language, but cannot be explained to a civilized person, too.===

"Rissyanin" means citizen of Russian Em,pire today is citizen of Russian Federation. "Russian" means the people of russian ethnicity. Pretty simple why you don't understand I cann't realize.

In many countries the citizenship differ with ethnicities. SO many russian live in Ukraine, Kazakhstan and baltic countries. But those russians are NOT "rossyanins".

Same way many arabs live in France and ISrael. But in both countries they are not french or jews but are citizens of both countries.
Is it difficult to percept?

Felix was "rossyanin" the citizen of RE I agree. But he wasn't ethnic russian. Since he wasn't one then russians didn't has the responsibilities for his actions.

B) As the political heir of the Russian Empire, the Soviet Union took over the entity as a whole, with all the assets and all the liabilities. In the same way, the contemporary Russian Federation is the heir to the former Soviet Union and cannot pick from the package on will – leaving nuisances like Molotov (and his pact with the buddy Ribbentrop), Beria or your obnoxious self to somebody else.==

Russian Empire was run by russian czar and russian administration.
Soviet Union was run by anti-russian international commie power.
Look what they did with Russian Church! SO again soviets and soviet power are nothing to do even enemies of russianry.

So let me, following your example, to coin my own term for you and your likes: LUBYANKA NAZIS.==

So all those jews of Israel are "LUBYANKA NAZIS" ACCORDING TO YOU since they don't accept arabs in thier country as trully jews sametime they don't deny thier citizenship of Israel.
Me too I don't deny the citizenship of Russia for you and your kind but I don't accept you as "russian". Be your own ethnicities get off of russianry.

Man when there won't be no ethnicities under the sun then you definition will work not before.

SO again I take good example from Israel and repeat you: "WHEN ISRAELITES ACCEPT ALL THIER ARAB CITIZENS AS TRUE "JEWS" I WILL ACCEPT YOU AS TRUE RUSSIAN".


405 posted on 10/31/2005 10:49:29 PM PST by RusIvan ("THINK!" the motto of IBM)
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To: RusIvan
Felix was "rossyanin" the citizen of RE I agree. But he wasn't ethnic russian. Since he wasn't one then russians didn't has the responsibilities for his actions.

Really?

And how about "rossiyanins" with positive contribution to the Empire, former Soviet Union and contemporary Russia?

Will you agree that such did exist, or you want me to give you abundant examples?

Most importantly, do "rrrrushians" accept them as their own, or reject them as aliens together with the bad ones?

I thought you could do better, Ivan. The above statement is worth of Iva... As a matter of fact, Iva and Ivan do look in this thread like the two sides of one and the same split (i.e. schizophrenic) personality...

407 posted on 11/01/2005 8:46:56 PM PST by Neophyte (Nazists, Communists, Islamists... what the heck is the difference?)
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