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Mark Steyn: The death of Mother Russia
The Spectator (U.K.) ^ | 10/22/05 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 10/20/2005 6:18:16 AM PDT by Pokey78

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To: RusIvan
It is all bla bla for polemics. We need the examples here.

Examples of my bad manners? Get lost once again.

BTW "Great Russian shauvinism" was condemned by Vlad Lenin. You agree with him?

It is all bla bla for polemics.

261 posted on 10/24/2005 9:33:20 PM PDT by Neophyte (Nazists, Communists, Islamists... what the heck is the difference?)
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To: vox_PL
We aren't unhappy about Russia since we have known you well...

The problem is that Germany broke the European rule of solidarity with that unilateral agreement with Russia.

Russia and Germany plotting to stick the knife into Poland's back... what's new? Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact once again.

262 posted on 10/24/2005 9:45:23 PM PDT by Neophyte (Nazists, Communists, Islamists... what the heck is the difference?)
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To: Neophyte

It is all bla bla for polemics. We need the examples here.
Examples of my bad manners? Get lost once again.==

Example of "great russian shauvinism" I asked! You even cann't read and understand red text:)).
Then you hide your poor education behind your rudeness:)).

BTW "Great Russian shauvinism" was condemned by Vlad Lenin. You agree with him?

It is all bla bla for polemics.==

Not at all. Vlad Lenin is well-known predessesor of yours who like you very much disliked "great russian shauvinism". He even wrote the article about it. Didn't you know?
Heh heh:). How bad educated those "russian culture" specialists in New Zealand:).


263 posted on 10/25/2005 12:46:54 AM PDT by RusIvan ("THINK!" the motto of IBM)
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To: Neophyte

Russia and Germany plotting to stick the knife into Poland's back... what's new? Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact once again.==

Molotov wasn't russian. He was foreign minister of USSR not Russia. If you the "russian history" specialist as you claim you had to know that.


264 posted on 10/25/2005 12:51:45 AM PDT by RusIvan ("THINK!" the motto of IBM)
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To: vox_PL
On this map Russia does not exist. Vladimir Susdal??? What's that???? Never heard of that!
Vladimir-Suzdal Great Principality is a successor of Kiev Great Principality and a predecessor of Moscow Great Principality. Moscow Principality gathered all Russian Principalities and became the whole Russia. Ivan IV the Terrible was the last Great Prince of Moscow Principality and the first Russian Tsar.

Show me an ancient map with Siberia belonging to Russia. There's no more greedy and criminal country than that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Did you hear of any wars for Siberia? No because there were no wars! Russian Cossack expeditions went from Urals to Alaska and ALL bribes (buryats, chukcha, eskimos, koryaks etc) joined Russia voluntarily.

What happened to Volga Bulgars? Did you murder that nation as well?
In 13th century Volga Bulgars were occupied by Mongolo-Tatars. In 16th century former Mongolo-Tartars (Zolotaya Orda with capital at Kazan) were defeated by Ivan IV and joined Russia. The successors of bulgar culture are Kazan tatars and tshuvashes.

How many nations did you murder? Now you're murdering the Chechen people. 200,000 have already been killed. Who is next, you Russian assassins?
Ignoring the hatred. Russians didn't kill nations, they joined them by force or voluntarily.
Respect to our ancestors. They were strong people. That's why Russia is the largest country:

266 posted on 10/25/2005 6:04:20 AM PDT by mym (Russia)
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To: vox_PL

You're going to start that stupid argument again? Kieven Rus, the founder of the Rus state, from which Russia arose, the principality of Vladimir-Suzdal, where Moscow is located. But you know this and play the idiot on purpose to try and justify 500 years of Polish imperialism or maybe its not a game?


269 posted on 10/25/2005 8:22:41 AM PDT by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: Neophyte

Except when Poland allied with Germany and Hungary disassembled Czeckaslovakia and Hitler even pushed the Polish land claim. That was when Hitler thought he could get Poland as an ally to allow him to pass through to the Russian border. Or didn't you know that?


270 posted on 10/25/2005 8:34:48 AM PDT by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: vox_PL; RusIvan; iva; GarySpFc
There's no more greedy and criminal country than that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh and what did you saints do upon regaining independence? Invade Ukraine in the Polish-Ukrainian War 1918, force Lithuania to give up territory and when you got parts of western Belarus and Ukraine, ethnic cleansing and the burning of Orthodox churchs who refused to convert. Then in 1938 you sided with Hitler to get a chunk of Czech...you are such a hypocrit its not even funny.

271 posted on 10/25/2005 8:36:59 AM PDT by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: vox_PL

Volga Bulgars still live on the Volga, this accusation from a people who invited the Teutonic Knights in to exterminate their pagan neighbors the Prussians (the real Prussians not the Germans who then took their name). Again, hypocrit either that or you are desperately ignorant of your own history.


272 posted on 10/25/2005 8:38:40 AM PDT by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: vox_PL
That's why we hate you! Not only are you murderers but also you try to tell that the victims weren't murdered but commited suicide.

And yet you biatch when Russian gas and oil is being routed around you. Hypocrit. Your heart is darkened by the Devil and has little of Christ in it. Let that hate run through you, it'll see you to a warm place in the after life.

273 posted on 10/25/2005 8:40:04 AM PDT by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: vox_PL; mym
And the most hated in the world!

Only in your own hate filled Chauvinistic mind. But that same hate will condemn you just as well.

274 posted on 10/25/2005 8:41:06 AM PDT by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: Tax-chick
Imagine not being able to understand Mark Steyn ... what a BORE life would be

I'm getting so bored with talk radio, conservative columnists, Fox News, and even Free Republic. You can start reading a thread, read 50, skip to the last 50 and read the same things as in the first. Other forums are even worse.

The conservative media has taken to ignoring the elephant in the living room. Able Danger is an excellent example. Mark Steyn goes to the heart of the matter. Good on him.

279 posted on 10/25/2005 9:40:39 AM PDT by ichabod1 (PC equals aPCzment)
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To: vox_PL

Invade Ukraine in the Polish-Ukrainian War 1918,

Yes. And now we live in peace and harmony. History has taught us something that when we fight each other Moscow will enslave and kill us all. That's why we are together now.--

Then why you bitching about Eastern Poland? Ask ukranian to whom Lvovbelongs. Or ask Lithvinians to whom Vilno belongs. Or ask belorusess to whom Brest and Mogilev belong.

Will you peacefully appreciate thier answers?:) What was conqured by Pilsudskii was taken back and given to rightful onwers.


280 posted on 10/25/2005 9:59:09 AM PDT by RusIvan ("THINK!" the motto of IBM)
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