Posted on 10/20/2005 3:37:30 AM PDT by ovrtaxt
Okay- all we're doing here is analyzing info. FR is the best information vetting resource on the net. Whether this author's point is all wet remains to be seen.
We need some loyahs to chime in here.
I don't see anything about the 90 days and information on US people has to be destroyed.
Yet on Wiki -- garbage is just thrown out there by whomever. It does NOT have to be right. And a whole lot of times it is NOT. It is the equivalent of rumor, the worst kind of rumor to boot.
No, I was posting the relevant part of the Executive Order to that process. I think the 90 day thing was an internal military thing. I'm having trouble finding the transcript of Kleinsmith's testimony before the Senate hearing.
My question is: what law takes precedence? The 90 day thing, Gorelick's memo, EO 12333, or maybe some idea from the Church Committee? We know what the DOD lawyers did, and they stated the 90 day rule- but their reason for it remains in question if this EO 12333 was in force. Seems to be a blatant disregard for it.
Thanks for the clarification; I'm reading quickly and getting ready for a trip.
Will check in when I get back.
That is what i believe is the case.........something to do with clintoon and china..........
AR 381-10, an enabling regulation—a view from an intelligence oversight officer - Brief Article
did anyone taped the c-span speech?
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An Executive Order would not be found binding, by any federal lawyers working for DOD, State, CIA or FBI, if a legal finding was issued by the attorney generals office, and it was based on recent legal case law, and it disagreed with the Executive Order. Because? That is the legal authority that the Judiciary would site, in a court of law. Thus, the federal lawyers would have followed Gorelich's memorandum over the older Reagan Executive Order.
What leads me to think this guy is a troll is that real problem went beyond Gorelich's memo. At the time of that memo Gorelich and Clinton's White House counsel set up a new office which was to become the filter whenever any matter came up that was covered by Gorelich's memorandum. This meant that any intelligence sharing between foreign and domestic sources almost always had to ask the question of whether or not there was a legal case going on for which that intelligence could be seen as a part of it. Which meant the new filtering office - a Clinton political appointee - had to be asked to O.K. it. Of course with Louis Freeh having to perform various investigations involving the Clinton's themselves, including the China military contracts and campaign contributions, you can see why direct official intelligence sharing from and to the FBI began to breakdown completely. Clinton had placed himself directly in the middle of that sharing, with his own watchdog to let him know if Freeh was getting too close to foreign or domestic sources of his shenanigans.
Bush should've cleaned house by clearing all top commanders that had been promoted by Clinton. It was obvious that they all agreed with him in his methods of conducting war, intelligence gathering, etc. Bush should've realized that these guys would not just go along because there was a 'regime change'. In fact, if I had been in his shoes, I'd have been concerned that some of these guys would be behind my back, and not protecting it.
It sure appears that many of them were willing to allow harm to our servicemen/women for political reasons, and those being mainly to bring America out of the forefront of world leadership.
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Meaningless.
Look at the time frames.
The older Reagan Executive Order was not amended (reinforeced would be a better word) until GWB and not until after 9/11. From the time of the Gorelich memoirandum, throughout the Clinton administration, the DOD, CIA, State, FBI lawyers followed the dictates of the Gorelich memorandum. In addition, Gorelich and the White House cousel set up an office (Clinton political appointee) which acted as a filter to see that they did.
Thanks for the post.
This shows clearly how the author is ignorant and built a giant smokescreen to distract from Gorelich's memo.
This EO does not diminish any wall that was or would have been in place. It does nothing other than detail who, in the intelligence community, has what intelligence responsibility. It neither defines, limits or expands any "sharing" of intelligence.
Altho after Carter and the Church Commission it would have seemed a second look was in order.
Reagan had an extremely hostile media, to put it mildly.
John Ashcroft did not misinterpreted the Gorelick memo,IMO.
Thanks for the insight. That helps tremendously.
See the link in 27.
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