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Buckley: Joke Night (Foggy Thoughts From Bill Maher)
Universal Syndicate ^ | October 18, 2005 | William F. Buckley

Posted on 10/18/2005 7:47:07 PM PDT by RWR8189

The rhetorical blur decalcifies straight thought. William Bennett thought he was being asked about crime rates. Well, he was being asked about crime rates, but the blur took over and the world found itself deliberating whether he wished to abort all children of black mothers.

So he had to begin not with the point he had set out to make, but by affirming that not only was he against aborting black babies, he was against aborting any babies. Ah, but that statement bumps squarely into Roe v. Wade, which, invoking the right to privacy, entitles mothers to abort their children without any reference to their ethnicity.

But how did we get into all this? By egging on foggy thought -- especially if it can be said to defend against ethnic slurring or challenges to the new constitutional postulate on abortion.

Poor Mr. Bennett was driven to saying: Look, if you want to end all crime you can do that by aborting all babies. That sounded ridiculous enough to slow down, if only for a minute, the posse determined to find him guilty of racist thought.

But the argument had many tentacles. A few nights later, Bill Maher, who chops logic on HBO, worked up a frenzy of scorn for his guest Andrew Sullivan for refusing to ascribe to poverty full responsibility for crime. Maher does not advance his thought methodically, but here is the rough sequence intended:

If there is more crime committed by black Americans than by non-blacks, it is on account of poverty.

Poverty is what happens when Republicans control Congress and the White House.

The latest poll reveals that endorsement of White House policies by black Americans is 2 percent. Endorsement of Bush by whites is 45 percent.

The difference suggests the victimization of black Americans by White House policies.

These policies result in poverty, which results in crime.

Therefore it is correct to say that poverty equals crime, and correct to say that blacks suffer more than whites from poverty, but not correct to say that blacks engage in more crime than whites do.

Abortion is a constitutional right and the exercise of abortion must not be disdained or criticized, but abortion must not be recommended as a step toward diminishing either poverty or crime. Even if it does.

On the program in question, Mr. Sullivan suddenly turned to Mr. Maher and said, "You just called me stupid."

What made Sullivan stupid in the eyes of Maher wasn't that he questioned that poverty was the whole of the explanation for crime. It was that belief in religion is, according to Maher, "stupid." Since Mr. Sullivan believes in religion, that makes him, by deduction, stupid. Maher did not pull away from Sullivan's deduction, at least not directly. He settled for saying that religion was stupid but people are perfectly free to do stupid things.

This calmed Mr. Sullivan down, and he settled for saying, Is it stupid when Christians feed the hungry? When they shelter the exposed? When they preach love of fellow men? Everybody laughed.

It doesn't matter what Maher says, they laugh. It would have been good to hear from Mr. Sullivan the words of Belloc, but they might have ruined the fun. Belloc once observed that "We sit by and watch the Barbarian, we tolerate him; in the long stretches of peace we are not afraid. We are tickled by his irreverence, his comic inversion of our old certitudes and our fixed creeds refreshes us; we laugh. But as we laugh, we are watched by large and awful faces from beyond: and on these faces there is no smile."

Copyright 2005 Universal Press Syndicate


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bennet; billmaher; buckley; maher; williambennet; williambennett; williamfbuckley
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1 posted on 10/18/2005 7:47:08 PM PDT by RWR8189
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To: RWR8189
William Buckley quoting Belloc: "We sit by and watch the Barbarian, we tolerate him; in the long stretches of peace we are not afraid. We are tickled by his irreverence, his comic inversion of our old certitudes and our fixed creeds refreshes us; we laugh. But as we laugh, we are watched by large and awful faces from beyond: and on these faces there is no smile."

Superb quote; and good 'minder.

2 posted on 10/18/2005 7:51:34 PM PDT by Alia
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To: RWR8189

Good ending


3 posted on 10/18/2005 7:52:44 PM PDT by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: RWR8189

Maher is a fool. The fool said in his heart "there is no God".


4 posted on 10/18/2005 7:54:53 PM PDT by westmichman (I vote Republican for the children and the poor!)
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To: RWR8189

It's too bad those large and awful faces couldn't scare some sense into that fool.


5 posted on 10/18/2005 7:57:04 PM PDT by westmichman (I vote Republican for the children and the poor!)
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To: Alia
"We sit by and watch the Barbarian, we tolerate him; in the long stretches of peace we are not afraid. We are tickled by his irreverence, his comic inversion of our old certitudes and our fixed creeds refreshes us; we laugh. But as we laugh, we are watched by large and awful faces from beyond: and on these faces there is no smile."

I need to write that down and keep that with me, ready to pull out at a moment's notice.
6 posted on 10/18/2005 8:00:52 PM PDT by decal (Mother Nature and Real Life are conservatives; the Progs have never figured this out.)
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To: RWR8189

On my large and awful face there is no smile either.


7 posted on 10/18/2005 8:01:02 PM PDT by RedRover
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To: RWR8189
This makes me ask why Buckley would waste his time commenting on a TV show, much less a show by such an obvious half-wit as Bill Maher.
8 posted on 10/18/2005 8:03:01 PM PDT by perfect stranger
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To: RWR8189

Is this the gay Andrew Sullivan or is there another one?


9 posted on 10/18/2005 8:06:24 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: perfect stranger

---This makes me ask why Buckley would waste his time commenting on a TV show, much less a show by such an obvious half-wit as Bill Maher.---

Probably because more than a few people of supposed intellect have gone on Maher's program to join in his witless barbarity, including that former employee of his, Ann what's her name.


10 posted on 10/18/2005 8:18:59 PM PDT by claudiustg (Go Bush! Go Sharon!)
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To: perfect stranger
This makes me ask why Buckley would waste his time commenting on a TV show, much less a show by such an obvious half-wit as Bill Maher.

Bill Buckley can do whatever he wants whenever he wants. If people don't agree with that they are free to argue with Buckley. At their own peril.

With that said, Bill Maher is an errand boy, sent by grocery clerks, to collect a bill....

11 posted on 10/18/2005 8:26:20 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Don't get stuck on stupid - Lt. General Honore)
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To: westmichman
The fool said in his heart "there is no God".

Some say: "There is no God, but those who believe are not fools."

12 posted on 10/18/2005 8:34:21 PM PDT by alcuin (And what became of the seat what was to come to ME?)
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To: isthisnickcool
Bill Buckley can do whatever he wants whenever he wants. If people don't agree with that they are free to argue with Buckley. At their own peril.

Very true, I had not thought about it in that way.

Buckley has certainly earned that right.

13 posted on 10/18/2005 8:41:32 PM PDT by perfect stranger
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To: BartMan1; Nailbiter; Forecaster; stanley windrush
It was that belief in religion is, according to Maher, "stupid." Since Mr. Sullivan believes in religion, that makes him, by deduction, stupid.

The only hope the left now has is to kill religion. Expect the cries to become louder and more shrill.

A great read here.

14 posted on 10/18/2005 8:41:41 PM PDT by IncPen (Because it's not your money, Senator Kennedy. It's mine, and I'd like to keep it)
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To: isthisnickcool
Bill Maher is an errand boy, sent by grocery clerks, to collect a bill....

There they were . . . a pile of little talking heads . . .

I tore my teeth out and gave them to my grandmother.

15 posted on 10/18/2005 8:45:03 PM PDT by alcuin (And what became of the seat what was to come to ME?)
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To: RWR8189
"We sit by and watch the Barbarian, we tolerate him; in the long stretches of peace we are not afraid. We are tickled by his irreverence, his comic inversion of our old certitudes and our fixed creeds refreshes us; we laugh...so that's what made Clinton so popular......
16 posted on 10/18/2005 8:45:42 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: claudiustg
....including that former employee of his, Ann what's her name.

Please feel free to include her last name in the future if you can back up any of that statement.

17 posted on 10/18/2005 8:48:22 PM PDT by perfect stranger
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To: westmichman
Maher's no fool. He's working the same rich vein as Chris Matthews and that Russert creature. He just isn't as well educated and/or from lower in the class structure. He is clever enough to say what he knows his employers wish to hear. Out of the lot of these Catholic turncoats, the straightforward working-class Democrat O'Reilly comes in behind the Christian Socialists Russert and Matthews in the brains department, but even he is head and shoulders above this Maher in intelligence, and is ahead of all three in the integrity thing.

These people will not rest until their party is back in power ... even at the expense of the country's well-being. Despicable.

18 posted on 10/18/2005 8:51:13 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Islam: The Highjacked Religion of Peace, or the Religion of Highjackers ?)
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To: Alia
The ultimate conceit of Mather is that he is an atheist looking for redemption from that which is non redeemable. He rehashes this irksome religion question and wants to play the Saul on the road to Damascus -- his ego or some such subaltern movement within him demands it -- demands that he be a glorious HBO sinner. No prick of logic... just a prick.
19 posted on 10/18/2005 8:59:58 PM PDT by Blind Eye Jones
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To: Blind Eye Jones
Well put.
20 posted on 10/18/2005 9:06:20 PM PDT by Do not dub me shapka broham ("We don't want a Supreme Court justice just like George W. Bush. We can do better.")
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