Posted on 10/18/2005 11:08:43 AM PDT by blam
I think it's in the Oddyssey, where Telemachos pays her a visit while he is out looking for Dad. Of course, she was a little on the shady side of thirty by then.
Oddyssey = Odyssey
Germanic people didn't make it that far until the Middle Ages, and even then they did not settle in Greece in large numbers.
Many Slavs, Turkic groups and Bulgars did settle in Greece, however.
The Greeks of the classical period may have been more "Germanic" (a meaningless word at that time, maybe "Northern" might be better) than the peoples who took their place.
Greece is an ethnic melting pot, unified by the Orthodox faith and its liturgical language.
Just as the Turks are a melting pot--and practrically the same mix-- unified by religion and language.
BTW, if I recall correctly, according to the Iliad, Achilles had red hair.
Infant/child mortality rates were high, and that persisted into (at least) the 19th century. Women did indeed become mothers as soon as possible.
Military service until age 50 doesn't pertain to the life expectancy of ancient Greek women, since women didn't serve in the military.
Cicero: "there is good reason to think that the basic facts about the Trojan War described in the Iliad and the Odyssey are historical"
wholeheartedly agree.
Helen of Troy: Goddess, Princess, Whore
PRNewswire | Sep. 14, 2005 | Melanie Pope of Renault Communications
Posted on 10/09/2005 8:29:26 PM PDT
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Hughes should find a different line of work.
Also the Spartan (Doric) women were known to be the most beautiful in Greece which I always thought of as a waste. It may have been partly due to their eugenics practices.
The Linear B Tablets and Mycenaean Social, Political, and Economic Organization
Dartmouth College | 1996 | faculty
Posted on 11/28/2004 7:29:26 PM PST by SunkenCiv
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The oily bird catches the worm.
Clive Cussler has quoted a book I want to read, "Where Troy once stood," arguing that Troy was Cambridge, England.
The book is out of print. Some information is on the Net. The basic premise is that the Asian location does not fit any descriptors in the Iliad.
Is this the face that launched a thousand ships?
The northern people moved south because it got 'real' cold in the north and they were starving. All the 'Dark Ages' were worldwide events as recorded in the tree-rings. Read the article below for some insight on the subject.
The Dark Ages: Were They Darker Than We Imagined?
"The twelfth century BC is associated with the "Greek Dark Ages", the end of the Hittite civilisation in the Near East, the end of Bronze Age Israel, and the end of the Bronze Age Shang dynasty in China. Ancient Chinese history has the notion of "mandate from heaven", where the rulers were essentially subject to the whims of the sky above. Strange sights in the sky would not be seen as good news for Chinese Emperors. Indeed, around this time, Chinese records speak of : "
I really do think Crete is the cradle of civilization or at least Greek civilization.
Those crazy English also thought a new Jerusalem was going to arise in England.
Of course.
I am indebted to a Phd friend for recounting the following.
Helen of Troy was the most beautiful woman in the world and was responsible for the launching of 1,000 ships to save her honor and bring her home.
The result was what has come to be known as the milihelen system. A woman's beauty can be expressed in millihelens. Just how many ships would be launches to save her?
Helen was of course 1,000. Her name sake the reporter Helen Thomas would rate about a mere 5 or perhaps 7. Bo Derrick would also rate 1,000 since a modern 10 is but a refinement of the ancient system.
Poor Ann Coulter, formerly rated at about 875 mhlns, her rating has dropped as a result of poor political writing. In the future, Deanna Troy LCDR SFC will also rate about 980 mhlns that rates 10 on the current les complex scale.
It is no coincidence that Scliemann found Troy very near where it was said to be.
He also located Troy (Hissarlik) by using a description in the Iliad.
And did those feet in ancient time Walk upon England's mountains green? And was the holy Lamb of God On England's pleasant pastures seen? And did the Countenance Divine Shine forth upon our clouded hills? And was Jerusalem builded here Among these dark Satanic mills? Bring me my bow of burning gold: Bring me my arrows of desire: Bring me my spear: O clouds unfold! Bring me my chariot of fire. I will not cease from mental fight, Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand Till we have built Jerusalem In England's green and pleasant land
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