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Alien abduction claims explained [seriously!]
Harvard Gazette ^ | 9/22/05 | William J. Cromie

Posted on 10/17/2005 8:14:55 PM PDT by Enchante

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To: Enchante

or this
http://www.anomalies.net/ufo/nasaufo/3902/warpspeed.mov


21 posted on 10/17/2005 9:21:42 PM PDT by badpacifist
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To: Enchante

I wonder if she studied Calypso Louie's abduction in Mexico.


22 posted on 10/17/2005 9:23:59 PM PDT by DLfromthedesert (Texas Cowboy...you da man!!)
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To: Marie
"there is some weird crap out there . . ."

Yeah, athiests, welfare bums, Hollywood drunks, abortion enthusiasts, union thugs, screeching feminists, government-addicted minority "victims", socialist college professors, pornographers, and alien abductees. They make up the Democrat base.

23 posted on 10/17/2005 9:24:21 PM PDT by Liberty Wins (Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of all who threaten it.)
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To: Enchante

Now that we have the explanation, we can go to bed assured that people who experience "UFOs" are just dreaming and that there are no, as yet, unexplained phenomena.

And we can ridicule anyone who "holds unusual beliefs and ideas", even if they actually experience something unusual, because we know that nothing unusual ever really happens.


24 posted on 10/17/2005 9:41:26 PM PDT by JmyBryan
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To: Enchante

Every once in a while, people may experience a Twilight Zone moment. In most cases, when they do occur, our belief systems tend to override those moments and frame them in more acceptable perspectives.

The real arrogance doesn't exist with those who report a bizarre instance, but with those so scarred in their thinking that they insist no such bizarre phenomenon exist other than that which is simply explained by rationalism.

My emphasis here being on the assumption that the bizzare is immediately cast in doubt, while the rational is presumed to prevail.

This article and several others regarding 'sleep paralysis' over the past several years have contrived elaborate mechanisms to account for the phenomenon as though it is mere normal physical activity. All such studies I have per chance encountered, tend to dismiss things such as demons or the spirit as a lessor educated perspective. For those who remain truthful, faithful, and sincere the phenomenon of sleep paralysis is also frequently associated with spiritual warfare of a very real nature.

Articles which relate to a phenomenon and call it 'sleep paralysis' are as naive to significant events in that domain as somebody who witnesses a flotilla of aircraft carriers, nuclear submarines and an amphibious landing by remarking that there is nothing eventful, because such things happen when one understands a ship's displacement in water allows it to float. The significance might be the more obvious event.


25 posted on 10/17/2005 9:46:46 PM PDT by Cvengr (<;^))
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To: JmyBryan

Neither of your statements can be implied by the article, and neither are statements that I endorse.


26 posted on 10/17/2005 9:47:40 PM PDT by Enchante (Bill Clinton: "I did not have sex with any of the skeletons in my closet!")
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To: hispanarepublicana
I talked to someone not long ago who believed that becoming too engrossed in a video game, for instance, could "open you up" to a demonic attach. Since you are a believer, what is your opinion? What makes one vulnerable to a demonic or spiritual attack?

I'm no demonologist, but IMHO one would open themselves up to demonic attack by expressing interest and pursuing the occult (talking to "ghosts", Ouiji board, tarot cards, etc), throwing out a challenge (come and get me, you buggars!), or by direct invitation.

I also think that demons/devils attack those who God may have a more than usual interest in. I think that some of the most holy of people are pursued, haunted, distracted and tempted by demons than average folks.

As for video games, I really don't know. I know that I've seen peoples' personalities change after playing video games a lot. I also know that the games can change brain waves. I believe that God designed our brains to be tuned into the spiritual and that an altered state may "change the channel" to something better left alone. I think that some people may be more vulnerable than others and that what may be nothing to one, may open the Gates of Hell for another. (it's the same with alcohol, sex, etc)

But that's just me. I used to claim wiccan beliefs, but I could never wrap my mind around the idea that I knew more about what should be done spiritually than God. The only "spells" I did were for healing, comfort, etc. (I guess I was just praying fancy.) The wiccans I hung around with were dealing with things that I felt were too dangerous and it was repulsed by it. Finally I met enough wiccans that I came to the conclusion that it was a twisted religion that was NOT for me. It's a religion of arrogance.

27 posted on 10/17/2005 9:50:57 PM PDT by Marie (After 6 years of planning and working for the goal, I am now a TEXAN!!)
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To: JCEccles

Heh heh... Um, my comment was a joke. Hippo / Hypno. But I found your post interesting nonetheless.


28 posted on 10/17/2005 9:52:41 PM PDT by bluefish (Holding out for worthy tagline...)
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To: JmyBryan

Perhaps the approach you have well stated is the reason some 'alien abductee' stories are so significant. Many consistently express and manifest the behavior of somebody who sincerely would agree with the same position, but has a reality thrust upon them that forces them to not only consider, but enter into an otherwise conflicted domain.

Some of those reports touch upon issues which aren't as well discussed elsewhere from a similar perspective. Volumes are written regarding spiritual warfare in Scripture and religion, yet many in our generation are not well studied or faithful in that domain.


29 posted on 10/17/2005 9:53:13 PM PDT by Cvengr (<;^))
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To: hispanarepublicana

Believers are exposed to demonic influence, while unbelievers may be exposed to demonic possession of their thinking processes.

Most misery is self imposed through wrong thinking. For this reason, most people simply have their hands full controlling their own scarred thinking processes. There does exist other persons in spirit that can influence our persons and in some cases malevolvently deceive us.


30 posted on 10/17/2005 9:57:55 PM PDT by Cvengr (<;^))
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To: bluefish; JCEccles

I see from your prior PM that you got the joke. Anyway, I won't quit my day job for stand-up anytime soon.


31 posted on 10/17/2005 10:00:05 PM PDT by bluefish (Holding out for worthy tagline...)
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To: Enchante

I have no problem with the article. However, I think the phenomena of "alien abduction" is not easily demarcated. Certainly sleep paralysis and hypnosis are reasonable explanations for the testimony of some indviduals. However, there are "alien encounters" that are experienced in fully awakened states, not recovered by hypnosis. Others are accompanied by physical evidence and corroborating testimony.

See the Allagash Abductions for example, a tale difficult to categorize as sleep paralysis.


32 posted on 10/17/2005 10:08:27 PM PDT by JmyBryan
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To: Enchante; All

What a crock of crap.

These people have the same exact memories, and have had this even before it became well-known what an abduction experience is popularly like in the underground culture.

To explain it as false memories is incredibly idiotic.


33 posted on 10/17/2005 10:14:37 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: Enchante
A few years back, Art Bell had a real medical researcher on. The guy was studying an LSD class/type of drug. His drug,
like LSD, affected the pineal(sp?) gland. The most active time for that gland, without drugs, on average, is 2-4AM.
That's the typical time that abductions reportedly occur.

Perhaps a number of leftist, anti-commonsense types have an overactive pineal gland? Maybe they dropped acid at
least one too many times, or the LSD wasn't quite what it was supposed to be?

34 posted on 10/17/2005 10:23:24 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Enchante

"When you dream, you are paralyzed. It's a natural adaptation to prevent people from lashing out, jumping out of bed, walking into doors or windows, and otherwise injuring themselves."

Then how come I frequently do all those things, plus talk and walk around, while still asleep? I'm not kidding, I do it all the time.


35 posted on 10/17/2005 10:29:35 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Enchante
re:Alien abduction claims explained: Sleep paralysis, false memories involved
 
Theory: They're making it all up to get attention.
there, mystery solved. now somebody toss me a big fat cash research grant and i'l write it all up and pad it out to about 2-300 pages or so.
36 posted on 10/17/2005 10:36:05 PM PDT by tomakaze (Cuius testiculos habes, habeas cardia et cerebellum.)
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To: JudgemAll
There is a connection indeed between UFO theory and hate of America. The third world use it to revive hate of colonialism, While liberals talk about the US stealing technology from aliens so we can dominate the world, what not.

A consistent theme that I have noticed is that many abductees relate that the aliens start "monologing" to the abductees about the need to get rid of nuclear weapons, clean up the environment, etc, or other such semi-political statements. By reading the testimony of the abductees, it often becomes clear that this political ideology of the aliens is almost identical to the abductees, even before their alleged abduction.

When an alien travels across the galaxy to tell someone what they already know, perhaps they should consider that it is coming from inside them, rather than out there.

37 posted on 10/17/2005 10:37:21 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Enchante

People don't want to believe things that they aren't ready to accept. Maybe the author should also do a study and publish a book about that theory as well...


38 posted on 10/17/2005 10:43:02 PM PDT by Born in a Rage
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To: Enchante

Forget the authors' opinions and the hate mail...the real tragedy is that this sort of article is titled as explaining a phenomenon (inplying that the solution was scientifically found).

It wasn't. Not scientifically. This article merely treats us to informed opinions.

To be scientific, the researchers should have devised and shown a way to *repeat* the behavior being studied...even if it took a large study group that would only yield one or two "successes."

If they were to show that "behavior X" can be induced in .03% of any study group whenever the conditions for sleep are XYZ, and then if other research teams at other schools were able to duplicate those results by following the above procedures...then...you'd have a scientific explanation.

Regardless of what you are studying, you shouldn't be published if you are sloppy. Study. Test. Conclude. Test. Find someone else to test "your way" and if the results are consistently duplicated, then publish.

39 posted on 10/17/2005 10:49:00 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Enchante

What about the fact that many remember their abduction and were not asleep or even near a bed when it supposedly happened?


40 posted on 10/17/2005 11:00:24 PM PDT by Bellflower (A new day is Coming!)
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