Posted on 10/17/2005 12:14:30 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
The only thing that was said in this initial post was a denial of access. It never mentioned a court agreed to interviewer. It read that it was intended to deny any access. In fact the parents went in hiding with the child.
Yep, been there done that and still suffering.
When they got cops and lawyers and soc services and taxes, it's for the children, but when the parent contributes in self, lawyers and what not, it's harassment and abuse.
Social services are evil. Kids are just meat for politics, extortion, blackmail and dollars. They don't care about kid welfare, they only care about getting the parents.
It was clarified further down the thread.
The parents were always willing to submit the child for independent third party examination. CPS wanted custody of Christopher in foster care before even beginning an examination and then only by their contract therapists.
IMO, the parents were absolutely right to hide the kids.
They're going to do the same thing for elderly care. If your grandpa's got money, he can't pay you to care for him! You will be screened and "qualified" nurses will take your inheritence.
Check those articles on social services for the elderly. It's big meat money, and America is asleep. Next bubble bursting, "all your homes are belong to government 'qualified' workers and universities"
http://www.jconline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/search
Sorry, here are the relevant searched articles
http://www.jconline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060111/NEWS/601110312&SearchID=73232331986214
http://www.jconline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060111/NEWS/601110324&SearchID=73232332127762
Whatever money you have left after official taxes will be taken by the courts under any pretext, especialy when a family member becomes a problem child or spouse. You can't try to help people with problems now because they'll manipulate them against you.
Meat genocide market.
The problem is that you posted this w/o providing all the facts. You must be a journalist.
Yep, this is typical. They choose psychologists and care takers biased in their ways and they kidnap and brainwash kids. Independent or parental inquiry is deemed abuse. Their sending swat teams is deemed "child support" they make parents pay for.
CPS has the right to enter any house ANY HOUSE WITH KIDS WITHOUT A WARRANT, ARBITRARILY, WITH COPS BEHIND AND THEY CAN DO SEARCHES! FOR OTHER ITEMS AND WHAT NOT, EVEN SEIZE "TOYS" AND OTHER "GOODS OF THE CHILD" FOR WHEREVER "IT" WILL BE "CARED" FOR.
A neighbor or two have been trying to feed her upon occasion, I've been occasionally caring for their yard, my wife (an RN) is helping her as an advocate, but as you can see, the situation is very complicated.
Yup. Worse, you can bet that if you need a court appointed attorney they'll be shilling for the government. In our county, a court appointed attorney has NEVER filed an appeal in a family court case involving CPS. Not one.
"To those of you who suspected the worst, you were dead wrong."
In this one instance, yes.
However, Mr. Johnson's benavior was far more consistent with guilt than innocence.
Actions speak far more loudly than mere words.
After having been confronted with CPS' record, and the statistical insignificance that Christopher was at risk, to assume that one will get impartial or just treatment out of family court and CPS is simply psychotic.
Mr. Johnson did absolutely the right thing: he negotiated with two corrupt and complicit political institutions from a position of strength and offered them a way out that assures full disclosure and independent verification.
To assume that simply because Mr. Johnson removed his child until he had such an agreement that he must be an abuser is equally demented.
"To assume that simply because Mr. Johnson removed his child until he had such an agreement that he must be an abuser is equally demented."
I will defer to your superior judgement as to what is and isn't dementia, since it is no doubt gathered from long experience of living in that sorrowful state.
Gosh, is that the best you can do?
I've posted facts: hard data from the Bureau of Justice Statistics. The chance the Johnsons would harm their child is vanishingly small. Still, you desire to place them at the mercy of an unaccountable bureaucracy with a demonstrably failed track record of child abuse!
If you need so badly to hire an incompetent and corrupt police state to force people to live in the manner you would prefer, you are on the wrong forum.
Still seems you're taking heat though.
Regards
Bonehead
Thank you. I stand corrected.
"I've posted facts: hard data from the Bureau of Justice Statistics."
In other words, you've posted "facts" from the "incompetent and corrupt police state" you supposedly despise as a bunch of evil, lying SOBs, except when they happen to agree with you. You cannot have it both ways.
"The chance the Johnsons would harm their child is vanishingly small."
No, it's more along the lines that the Johnsons would be unlikely to get caught doing so. When I was a cop, we'd have a couple hundred kids a year just "disappear" in a modest-sized city. There are not that many perverts running around, and when we found deceased John & Jane Does that had not reached majority, most of them were victims of blunt force trauma, with no sign of sexual assault--but the bodies had been laid out very neatly at the dump sites, which is not the behavior of a child predator. Very rarely, we managed to get a positive ID--and only then did the case have a chance of ending up in those
"Still, you desire to place them at the mercy of an unaccountable bureaucracy with a demonstrably failed track record of child abuse!"
I would sincerely hope that they'd have a "demonstrably failed track record of child abuse," as opposed to a "demonstrably successful track record of child abuse."
And my experience with CPS is that if they're making any effort to do a removal, it's a very last resort. Your experience may be colored by the fact that you show the sort of behavior that escalate routine traffic stops into "stick time."
Congratulations to the Johnsons - I love happy endings! We should resolve to keep them in our prayers, particularly for the sake of their son.
I am never bothered with a debate supported by facts. A spirited disagreement is a chance to find weaknesses in your ideas, seek critical documentation, test new ways of framing a concept, and learn what motivates your opponent. With a credible person like Rodney, the differences are usually a matter of emphasis rather than principle. Such instances are often opportunities to find real solutions.
It's what this forum is supposed to be. Thank you.
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