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To: PetroniusMaximus
"What I am showing through that illustration is that even in our free society, people are not always truly "free". It is still possible to "own" part - maybe even a large part - of another person."

No, they do not *own* the other person. And in all such cases both parties freely agree to the contract.

"I think Marx would find himself much more alligned with your atheistic, materialistic philosophy than my Christianity. "

He agreed entirely with your views on slavery and capitalism. You are ideological bedfellows.


"In the current US legal climate, are children the "property" of the state?"

No. They are not.

" BTW - Are you a slave?"

No, you and your theocratic friends haven't taken over yet.
429 posted on 10/17/2005 9:54:01 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

*** No, they do not *own* the other person. And in all such cases both parties freely agree to the contract.***

As posted elswhere - some forms of slavery were willingly entered into (and many are not).


*** He agreed entirely with your views on slavery and capitalism. ***

You are painting with a broad brush. Capitaism is not necessarily slavery - but some forms of have existed in capitalistic societies.



*** "In the current US legal climate, are children the "property" of the state?" No. They are not.***

The how can the State take your children from you and give them to someone else?


*** No, you and your theocratic friends haven't taken over yet.***

You are a slave, but you don't know it. You are a slave to sin. Just take one week of your life to commit no sin - use Matt; 5-7 as a guide for what sin is. Come back and tell me if you can do it.

If you can do that - 1 week without sin, you are not a slave.

If you can't then you are a slave.


453 posted on 10/17/2005 2:00:00 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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