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To: PetroniusMaximus
I agree about the period of the First World War. But you raised the Nazis, and specifically their racist philosophy. This was not evolutionary but primarily creationist. Albeit (as noted previously) a mystical sort of creationism, and one which -- racism aside -- would therefore not be appealing to most modern fundamentalists.

But whatever. If you're willing to connect Darwinism to Nazi racism, even though Darwin never advocated anything remotely resembling Nazi policies; what would you have us infer from the Nazis seizing on a major CHRISITIAN theologian who DID, in his time, advocate policies that precisely prefigured Nazis policies (short of outright mass murder)?

I have in mind, of course, Martin Luther. In On The Jews and Their Lies, a book which explicitly sought to advise the rulers of Europe on necessary and appropriate policies, Luther advocated removing Jews from their professions, making them work at hard labor, denying them the protection of the police on the highways and byways, burning their holy books and synagogues, and etc.

If you intend the more indirect connection between evolution and Nazism (which had nothing to do with the direct intentions of evolutionary theory) to reflect negatively on the validity of evolution, what should we infer about Christianity based in its connection to Nazism in respect to the explicit and correctly understood intentions of Luther?

My answer, btw, is nothing. But your logic, and your rhetorical standards and tactics, are clearly different from mine.

292 posted on 10/16/2005 7:39:35 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: Stultis

***even though Darwin never advocated anything remotely resembling Nazi policies;***

The ideas are implicit in his though. Man is an animal. Only the stong and well suited survive. Hitler thought his race was the superior race. etc.


***what would you have us infer from the Nazis seizing on a major CHRISITIAN theologian who DID, in his time, advocate policies that precisely prefigured Nazis policies***

I am only vaguely familiar with Luther's supposed anti-semitism.



***If you intend the more indirect connection between evolution and Nazism (which had nothing to do with the direct intentions of evolutionary theory) to reflect negatively on the validity of evolution, what should we infer about Christianity based in its connection to Nazism in respect to the explicit and correctly understood intentions of Luther?***

All I can say is that if Luther was guilty of what you charge then he was wrong and Paul would have wrung his neck for it. But thanks be to God that Jesus Christ is the standard of truth and not M. Luther. The Bible clearly teaches thet the Jews are still God's chosen people and that He will curse those who curse them - so if Martin did the above then he was going AGAINST the teaching of Scripture.


***But your logic, and your rhetorical standards and tactics, are clearly different from mine.***

Are you saying ideas have no relation to actions?


322 posted on 10/16/2005 8:26:33 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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