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The End of Gay Culture
The New Republic ^ | October 13, 2005 | Andrew Sullivan

Posted on 10/15/2005 5:17:38 PM PDT by Torie

ASSIMILATION AND ITS MEANING. The End of Gay Culture Andrew Sullivan

For ... two decades, I have spent much of every summer in the small resort of Provincetown, at the tip of CapeCod. It has long attracted artists, writers, the offbeat, and the bohemian; and, for many years now, it has been to gay America what Oak Bluffs in Martha's Vineyard is to black America: a place where a separate identity essentially defines a separate place. No one bats an eye if two men walk down the street holding hands, or if a lesbian couple pecks each other on the cheek, or if a drag queen dressed as Cher careens down the main strip on a motor scooter. It's a place, in that respect, that is sui-generis. Except that it isn't anymore. As gay America has changed, so, too, has Provincetown. In a microcosm of what is happening across this country, its culture is changing.

Some of these changes are obvious. A real-estate boom has made Provincetown far more expensive than it ever was, slowly excluding poorer and younger visitors and residents. Where, once, gayness trumped class, now the reverse is true. Beautiful, renovated houses are slowly outnumbering beach shacks, once crammed with twenty-something, hand-to-mouth misfits or artists. The role of lesbians in the town's civic and cultural life has grown dramatically, as it has in the broader gay world. The faces of people dying from or struggling with aids have dwindled to an unlucky few. The number of children of gay couples has soared, and, some weeks, strollers clog the sidewalks. Bar life is not nearly as central to socializing as it once was. Men and women gather on the beach, drink coffee on the front porch of a store, or meet at the Film Festival or Spiritus Pizza.

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To: garyhope

It is not limited to Wal-Mart. Just go to an airport sometimes. People dress like they do when riding the bus. . Speaking of, my son once had to ride the bus from Montgomery to Raleigh. Was that a revelation for him. A whole different world.


61 posted on 10/15/2005 10:10:01 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: garyhope
The only "issues" I'm concerned about are the survival of the USA and freedom.

Those are excellent issues with which to be concerned. Yet it would be a mistake to ignore the homosexual agenda and it's attack on today's youth. And it wouldn't be very compassionate to ignore those who lead destructive lives.

If somebody wants out of the homosexual lifestyle they should have that opportunity. Instead, we have liberals writing books about other liberals in the APA about how gay activism, not science, is leading the APA.

Checkout:

Destructive Trends in Mental Health: The Well-Intentioned Path to Harm
Liberals Reveal 'Destructive Trends' in Mental Health Profession
Destructive Trends in Mental Health: The Well-Intentioned Path to Harm

62 posted on 10/15/2005 10:13:19 PM PDT by scripter (Let temporal things serve your use, but the eternal be the object of your desire.)
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To: cajungirl
I object to any sexuality out in public. Gay, straight, animal, whatever.

A writer named Peter Manso came out with a book called PTown a couple of years ago, that pretty much told the story of Provincetown since the 50s to 2003. It was pretty shocking and a lot of Provincetown people denounced Manso even though he has lived there for many years. They didn't denounce him because he lied, they did it beacuse he exposed a lot of activities that the gay residents would prefer that the general (and straight) population did not know about.

He mentioned a beach area behind one of the downtown restaurants/clubs, that has become "the" destination for gay men seeing anonymous oral sex after the bars close at 1 AM. He said that on summer nights and especially on weekend nights, there might be 100 or more men in one small section of beach engaging in public oral sex in a 50 yard area of beach. He said the rule is pretty much "no talking". He reported that a couple of times a summer, the local Police break up the scene by loudly walking down to the beach with their flashlights on, announcing in a loud voice (before they get anywhere near the action) that they are the Police, and everyone has to leave. No arrests are made and the next night the activities resume. Pretty much everyone in the town is OK with it. He said that in a previous year, the action used to occur at a local Provincetown boatyard, until the owners (after compaining many times to the Police and getting little assistance) put up bright floodlights all over the yard and that made the participants move to a new dark location. The book is well worth reading.
63 posted on 10/15/2005 10:13:31 PM PDT by BansheeBill
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To: moog
Issues are things that magazines and newspapers create to sell their political views.

Laughter, it really is the best medicine. Thanks!

64 posted on 10/15/2005 10:14:12 PM PDT by scripter (Let temporal things serve your use, but the eternal be the object of your desire.)
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To: Torie
That's one of the tactics Madsen and Kirk use as propaganda here:
50) Infer and speculate that famous historical figures were gay for two reasons: first, they are dead as a door nail, hence in no position to deny the truth and sue for libel; (page 188)

65 posted on 10/15/2005 10:22:17 PM PDT by scripter (Let temporal things serve your use, but the eternal be the object of your desire.)
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To: fr_freak
Regardless of the desperate efforts of homosexuals to have their lifestyle accepted as normal, they will succeed in convincing each other, for the most part. The majority of human beings are heterosexual. They know clearly why they are; they don't have to convince anyone to agree with them.

Heterosexuals who accept homosexuality as "just an alternative life style" come across to me as bleeding heart liberals. They are apparently deaf to the ravages of this unnatural behavior and to the damage I think children in a dad-dad or mom-mom will, IMO, will pay for, now and in their future.

You are absolutely correct in saying that those who have no tolerance are NOT driven by irrational bigotry. That kind of defense, along with the ludicrous accusations that heterosexuals are "afraid of" the gays, adds up to empty, false statements. I refer to readings where homosexuals accuse critical straight people of denying their tendencies toward homosexuality. As I said before, they are desperate.

So far, there are enough men and women around for heteros to hook up with. I won't go beyond that.

66 posted on 10/16/2005 12:01:14 AM PDT by IIntense
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To: cajungirl
Mostly, I am sad for the children in a homosexual household. Yes, I also am sorry that some, for whatever reason, don't have a sensible, caring, mother and father to give them the security and future skills they will need.

I view homosexuality as an aberration; it has also been described as a mental illness. The two seem to validate each other.

If gay marriage becomes legal throughout the U.S., it really will make no difference in my own life. It will greatly affect, I think, the country my grandchildren will inherit. Along with all the other destructive crap being pushed today by liberal (socialist) advocates, they will not enjoy the America we know.

Should I give a damn?

67 posted on 10/16/2005 12:31:36 AM PDT by IIntense
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To: Torie

"With the growth of fundamentalism across the religious world--from Pope Benedict XVI's Vatican to Islamic fatwas and American evangelicalism"

Andrew Sullivan is no Conservative, no matter what he says. Anyone who makes the moral equivalent between the Pope, Evangelicals, and Islamo-fascism is an idiot, a fool and frankly, an A-hole


68 posted on 10/16/2005 1:15:04 AM PDT by Cincinna (HILLARY and her HINO want to take over your country. STOP THEM NOW!)
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To: Torie
The article is a bit unfocused and turgid, but the essential point is there.

Yes it is -homosexual activist propaganda...

69 posted on 10/16/2005 1:18:34 AM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: Experiment 6-2-6

I didn't author that comment, use the word "turgid" to describe this piece, but I do agree that it is (Sullivan's article) turgid. As in, Sullivan goes into seductive mode about all things homosexual by pretending not to...it's the sly, misleading, and quite perverse (as in, "turgidly" so) problem that is the Sullivan personality. Next he'll write that "the gay culture invented Christmas" or something similarly self-pitying seeking and utterly distorted, in a pungent, turgid perspective of subtle manipulation into accepting the counter as truth. It isn't and never has been, nor never will be but it's amazing how many people are seduced into believing Sullivan's creepy nonsense.


70 posted on 10/16/2005 1:51:51 AM PDT by BIRDS
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To: cajungirl

"I object to any sexuality out in public. Gay, straight, animal, whatever."

Me too, but sometimes those dogs just can't help themselves....


71 posted on 10/16/2005 1:56:09 AM PDT by moog
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To: scripter

Issues are things that magazines and newspapers create to sell their political views.
Laughter, it really is the best medicine. Thanks!

Glad to do my part:).


72 posted on 10/16/2005 1:56:54 AM PDT by moog
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To: moog

The amorous plants really get to me


73 posted on 10/16/2005 1:57:02 AM PDT by woofie
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To: dfwgator

But it's when the sexual promiscuity promotion and the like kick in, that I REALLY object
The "love that dare not speak its' name" has now become "the love that won't shut the hell up."

I don't care that "Rick likes Bill," but I do care if they go around and promote it as normal.


74 posted on 10/16/2005 1:59:01 AM PDT by moog
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To: woofie

The amorous plants really get to me.

Some people do have to build lovenests you know.


75 posted on 10/16/2005 2:00:15 AM PDT by moog
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To: Experiment 6-2-6
turgid \TUR-jid\, adjective:
1. Swollen, bloated, puffed up; as, "a turgid limb."
2. Swelling in style or language; bombastic, pompous; as, "a turgid style of speaking."

Turgidity of prose may be in the eye of the reader. I personally found the tone "wistful", from the point of view of the writer; "alas for the poor dead days of happy faggots ambling through second-hand book shops."

Beyond that, meh...

76 posted on 10/16/2005 2:03:27 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (WW2 was NOT lost the day we DIDN'T take Berlin.)
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To: Cincinna
Anyone who makes the moral equivalent between the Pope, Evangelicals, and Islamo-fascism

Shouts his implacable hatred of conservative Christian belief and believers.

He would outlaw conservative Christianity if he could. The federal government may be trying to oblige him now that the House has passed hate crime legislation and the Senate is poised to follow suit. Will Bush veto the legislation? If he does it will be the first thing he has vetoed in five years.

God save this country.

77 posted on 10/16/2005 2:05:48 AM PDT by JCEccles
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To: Torie

Andrew Sullivan is an idiot. When I found out that he's taken out ads looking for barebacking partners, I decided not to take anything he says seriously ever again. That's right, he doesn't use condoms when he has sex, but maybe his parents should have.


78 posted on 10/16/2005 2:17:49 AM PDT by ProgressiveConservative
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To: WriteOn
Not far from being back in the closet is it.

hate to be a spelling police, but didn't you mis-spell casket?

79 posted on 10/16/2005 4:22:00 AM PDT by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: Torie
Well, in that case, maybe it's more the gay, or at least lesbian, subculture that is undergoing transformation and less P-Town.
80 posted on 10/16/2005 6:59:24 AM PDT by JAWs
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