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1 posted on 10/15/2005 12:07:24 PM PDT by freedom44
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Democrats everywhere are deeply saddened...


48 posted on 10/15/2005 2:10:27 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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Some interesting updates:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/16/international/middleeast/16iraq.html

Voting centers were also set up in the American-run prisons at Abu Ghraib and Camp Bucca for some 13,000 detainees, many of them suspected insurgents. There was even a polling station at Camp Cropper, where Mr. Hussein is incarcerated. There was no word on whether he had cast a ballot.

LOL

Are these results statistically possible?:
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/BA9FB67F-74A2-4609-AED5-8BEAE587CC9A.htm
At the Sajdat voting centre in Najaf province, the director said that of 3125 registered voters 2099 had voted. All but 30 had voted "Yes" - an approval of more than 98%.

In Miqdadiya, in Diyala province north of Baghdad, the head of Konoz polling centre said 2166 voters were registered, of whom only 366 turned up, 299 of them voting "No" and 67 "Yes".

In Yathreb, a Sunni Arab town north of Baghdad, 3500 people voted, with 3497 of them voting "No" and just three "Yes".



65 posted on 10/15/2005 2:38:38 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/secondaryproblemsofsocialism.htm)
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How could this have happened?
I thought it was all chaos, bombs, and anti-democracy over there, not mention quagmire, vietnam deja-vu, etc.....
Man, I'll never listen to the main stream media as the sole source of real, true information...
what a bunch of idiot losers the MSM is...give 'em their
paycheck and tell them to get lost


72 posted on 10/15/2005 2:53:10 PM PDT by Getready ((fear not...))
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I'm sure the Obsolete Media will be all over this.


74 posted on 10/15/2005 3:07:22 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (De gustibus non est disputandum.)
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High turnout / no major attacks / “This constitution means unity and hope.”

87 posted on 10/15/2005 3:53:01 PM PDT by Stultis
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"“This is all wrong. I said ’no’ to a constitution written by the Americans,” said Jilan Shaker, 22, a laborer who showed up at a polling station in Baghdad’s Azamiyah district polling station in shorts and plastic sandals"

Of course they had to find one jibjab that was against Americans. Wonder who gave him his clothes? Prolly us nasty 'merikans.


89 posted on 10/15/2005 4:00:52 PM PDT by lawdude (Liberalism is a mental disease.)
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A day that US and Iraqi leaders feared the MSM hoped could turn bloody turned out to be the most peaceful in months.

Don't know how that one slipped by the editors.

91 posted on 10/15/2005 4:11:42 PM PDT by B-bone
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96 posted on 10/15/2005 5:25:22 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Have you said Thank You to a service man or woman today?)
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The main stream media will avoid this story at their peril.

Then again, the cabal of cbsnbcabccnnnytwp is loosing ad revenue as I type, big time.

5.56mm

117 posted on 10/15/2005 7:45:20 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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Driving was banned to stop suicide car bombings by Sunni-led insurgents determined to wreck the vote.

hmmmm.....
IF it worked for a day...????

118 posted on 10/15/2005 7:47:44 PM PDT by evad ( PC KILLS-)
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Sunni turnout high at Iraqi charter vote

By LEE KEATH, Associated Press Writer

http://www.bakersfield.com/24hour/front/story/2805811p-11441397c.html

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - Sunni Arabs voted in surprisingly high numbers on Iraq's new constitution Saturday, many of them hoping to defeat it in an intense competition with Shiites and Kurds over the shape of the nation's young democracy after decades of dictatorship. With little violence, turnout was more than 66 percent in the three most crucial provinces.

The constitution still seemed likely to pass, as expected. But the large Sunni turnout made it possible that the vote would be close or even go the other way, and late Saturday it appeared at least two of a required three provinces might reject it by a wide margin.
Washington hopes the constitution will be approved so that Iraqis can form a legitimate, representative government, tame the insurgency and enable the 150,000 U.S. troops to begin to withdraw.

After polls opened at 7 a.m., whole families turned out at voting stations, with parents carrying young children, sometimes in holiday clothes. Men and women lined up by the hundreds in some places or kept up a constant traffic into heavily bunkered polls, dressed in their best in suits and ties or neatly pressed veils - or in shorts and flip-flops, weary from the day's Ramadan fast.

"I'm 75 years old. Everything is finished for me. But I'm going to vote because I want a good future for my children," Said Ahmad Fliha said after walking up a hill with the help of a relative and a soldier to a polling site in Haditha, a western Sunni town.

Some 9 million Iraqis cast ballots, election officials said, announcing a preliminary turnout estimate of 61 percent.

In Baghdad, men counted votes by lanterns because the electricity was out in parts of the city. Results were written on a chalkboard. Outside, Iraqi soldiers huddled in a courtyard, breaking their fast. Northeast of the capital, in Baqouba, men sat around long tables, putting "yes" votes in one pile and "no" votes in another.

A day that U.S. and Iraqi leaders feared could become bloody turned out to be the most peaceful in months, amid a heavy clampdown by U.S.-Iraqi forces across the country.

Insurgents attacked five of Baghdad's 1,200 polling stations, wounding seven voters, but there were no suicide bombings or other major attacks. Four Iraqi soldiers were reported killed by attacks far from polling sites - compared to the more than 100 attacks that hit January parliamentary elections, killing more than 40 people.

"The constitution is a sign of civilization," Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari said after casting his ballot. "This constitution has come after heavy sacrifices. It is a new birth."

The country's Shiite majority - some 60 percent of its estimated 27 million people - and the Kurds - another 20 percent - largely support the approximately 140-article charter, which provides them with autonomy in the northern and southern regions where they are concentrated.

The Sunni Arab minority, which dominated the country under Saddam Hussein and forms the backbone of the insurgency, widely opposes the draft, convinced its federalist system will tear the country into Shiite and Kurdish mini-states in the south and north, leaving Sunnis in an impoverished center.

Most Sunnis appeared to be voting "no" even after one major party, the Iraqi Islamic Party, came out in support of the draft because last-minute amendments promised Sunnis the chance to try to change the charter later.

"We have entered the political process now because our rights were being usurped by others who have marginalized us," said Sunni Hazem Jassim, 45, referring to Iraq's other factions.

The bar for Sunni opponents to defeat the constitution is high: They must get a two-thirds "no" vote in any three of Iraq's 18 provinces. They were likely to reach that threshold in the vast Sunni heartland of Anbar province in the west. They must snatch the two others among the provinces of Salahuddin, Ninevah or Diyala, north of Baghdad.

By late Saturday, Salahuddin appeared to be nearing a two-thirds "no" vote after an overwhelming showing at the polls in Tikrit, Saddam's hometown, where some election officials said 90 percent of the voters cast ballots. There were no figures on Ninevah or Diyala, but those are considered harder for Sunnis to win.

Each of those provinces has a Sunni Arab majority, but they also have significant Shiite or Kurdish minorities. Competition was fierce in all three, with some of the highest turnout rates in the country - well above 66 percent.

In the south, Shiite women in head-to-toe veils and men emerged from the poll stations flashing victory signs with fingers stained with violet ink to show they had voted, apparently responding in mass to the call by their top cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, to support the charter.

"Today, I came to vote because I am tired of terrorists, and I want the country to be safe again," said Zeinab Sahib, a 30-year-old mother of three, one of the first voters at a school in the mainly Shiite neighborhood of Karrada in Baghdad.

Voters flowed constantly into a kindergarten used as a polling site in a Sunni Arab district of Mosul, Ninevah's capital.

"The government can't just sew together an outfit and dress the people up by force. We do not see ourselves or see our future in this draft," Gazwan Abdul Sattar, 27-year-old Sunni teacher, said after voting "no."

But in a nearby district, Kurds lined up as well, some decked out in tradition garb of baggy pants and belted vests, or wrapped in the red-and-green Kurdish flag, emblazoned with a yellow sun.

"This document serves the ambitions of the Kurdish nation and we hope then that we will be able to determine our destiny in the future," said Barzan Berwari, a 45-year-old businessman.

In Tikrit, Saddam's hometown, voting was intense.

"This constitution was written by people who are loyal to Iran rather than being loyal to Iraq," said Hassan Maajoun, 60, reflecting some Shiites' deep suspicion of Sunni ties to neighboring Iran.

Voting was just as heated in the smaller Shiite towns in the southern part of the province as they raced to stop the Sunnis short.

After placing the ballots in the plastic boxes at the polling centers, Iraqis had the forefinger of their right hands marked with violet ink to prevent repeat voting.

About 250 of the country's 6,100 polling stations, mostly in the north and west, did not open because of technical or security problems, elections officials said.

The polls opened just hours after government workers restored power lines that insurgents sabotaged in the north Friday night, plunging the Iraqi capital and surrounding areas into darkness. When voting ended 10 hours later, celebratory gunfire rang out in Baghdad streets, and some families handed out sweets to passers-by.

While turnout was high in the mixed areas, Shiites in the south and Kurds in their autonomous enclave in the north showed less enthusiasm, with fewer than 66 percent of voters showing up in most of the provinces in those areas - likely reflecting the feeling that a "yes" vote was a sure bet there. Less than a third of voters in the region around the city of Ameriyah bothered to show up.

Turnout in January's vote was 58 percent, but Sunnis largely boycotted that election while Shiites turned out in droves, celebrating their chance to dominate the new government.

Bush administration officials said they were pleased that Iraqis appeared peaceful and enthusiastic about exercising their right to vote.

"Today's vote deals a severe blow to the ambitions of the terrorists and sends a clear message to the world that the people of Iraq will decide the future of their country through peaceful elections, not violent insurgency," White House spokesman Allen Abney said.

Whether the charter passes or fails, Sunnis appeared to throw themselves wholeheartedly into a political process that until now they have been deeply suspicious of. That could indicate they will try more in the future to work within a system U.S. and Iraqi leaders hope can moderate the country's vicious sectarian divisions.

But if the constitution passes despite a significant Sunni "no" vote, hard-liners in the community could decide the insurgency is their only hope to retain influence in the country.

In the Sunni Anbar province, streets and polling stations in towns strung along the Euphrates River valley were largely empty as residents remained hunkered in their homes, fearing insurgent violence or so embittered they refused to vote.

The minimal turnout in Anbar - as in the January election - suggested the key battleground between U.S.-Iraqi forces and insurgents, would remain alienated from the political process.

But voting was not along sectarian lines everywhere.

In Sadr City, a mostly Shiite area of Baghdad controlled by radical cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, who led uprisings against the U.S.-led coalition last year, people were widely expected to vote "yes."

Not Haitham Aouda Abdul-Nabi, a 23-year-old co-owner of a convenience store. When he showed up at a Sadr City secondary school to vote, he said: "More than 90 percent of Iraq's Shiites support the constitution, but not me."

Why? Because he is tired of the chaos that has followed Saddam's ouster: killings by insurgents, fighting between rebels and U.S. troops, squabbling in Iraq's mostly Shiite and Kurdish government, and nearly daily power outages in the capital.

"Only force can bring results with a people like us in Iraq," he said. "Unfortunately, we need someone like Saddam. This government is too weak."


121 posted on 10/15/2005 7:56:42 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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122 posted on 10/15/2005 8:00:45 PM PDT by KevinDavis (the space/future belongs to the eagles --> http://www.cafepress.com/kevinspace1)
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Sabria Hassan, 70, shows an ink-covered finger confirming that she voted in the constitutional referendum in Baghdad's Sadr City neighbourhood.

129 posted on 10/15/2005 8:18:58 PM PDT by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve,and have served, to keep us free.)
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This voting process regardless of how it turns out, has done something many folks have eluded to mention in their very good post for a time being. Hardly a detractor in this thread. What has not been mentioned is the fact, look at those pictures, is these people where happy, full of spirit, determined to cast their PERSONAL OPINION. As many of our Fr's posted, they braved the chance of getting gunned down or blown up. But they went to the voting polls. SUCH A HUGE TURNOUT, probably higher then most any nations with a democratic system. And under such conditions in some areas. We may tend to forget, and this is assuming the total Anti-Iraqi insurgency in all its forms, could have tried very hard to cause sensational killing fields in less protected areas, such as the 14 provinces that are Shi'ite dominated, just to cause super strife amoung the masses. It did not happen. The insurgency in all it's forms was 98% or better closed down. They had absolutely no effect on the voting process. AND based on what I am reading. It appears only the Al Anbar province that is in many areas is very low population density other then the large towns/cities along the Euphrates and say a city such as Rutbah in the far north western area of Al Anbar, turned out in record numbers. This is of epic proportions. It superseeds what we saw in Afganhistain by quite a bit. It appears this truly may show the future of Iraq. Democratically elected government that will provide a method of governance that will be for the betterment of all Iraqis.
Folks it appears the message to the Saddamist and foriegn insurgents is:
Mene Mene Tekel..........loosely interpretated:
'It has been counted and counted, weighed and divided' And my added emphasize, the Iraqi insurgency is found wanting. This is the horror story Abu Musab al-Zarqawi has written about in the past, as being the straw that will break the back of the insurgency, and Islamofacists dreams of somehow turning Iraqi into the staging grounds for a pure theocracy that can herald in a Caliphate. Seems like the gig is up for Abu and Binny boy.
134 posted on 10/15/2005 9:09:44 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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Something I did to honor those brave Iraqis after their first election, and the AMERICAN armed forces that made it all possible.

http://odetofreedom.com/


135 posted on 10/15/2005 10:14:25 PM PDT by WSGilcrest (Tinky likes it!)
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"After placing the ballots in the plastic boxes, the Iraqis had the forefinger of their right hands marked with violet ink."

I almsot thought they were going to say that thier forfingers were cut off.

Sorry.

:)


150 posted on 10/17/2005 12:07:22 AM PDT by Mr. Noodle
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did I say Daschle is very concerned?


153 posted on 10/17/2005 10:19:36 PM PDT by Cinnamon
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