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1 posted on 10/15/2005 6:51:49 AM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 10/15/2005 6:53:07 AM PDT by NYer (“Socialism is the religion people get when they lose their religion")
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Seems to me that toying around with flu viruses doesn't involve that new a technology. With enough willing suicidojihadis available, they can test their germs in humans where it's going to count (who cares if mice get sick?)


3 posted on 10/15/2005 6:57:04 AM PDT by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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Did i read somewhere that the average age of the population is getting too high for the burearcrats sensitivities? Time for a planned "ooops, sorry but that"? Think they wouldn't do it??????


4 posted on 10/15/2005 7:01:57 AM PDT by Waco
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While devastating, the Spanish Flu is hardly a civilization ending catastrophy. 25-40 million people worldwide died because of the Flu in the 1918-19 outbreak, and roughly 20% of the people who caught it died. While viral in nature, many of the deaths were caused by secondary bacterial pneumonia infections, which we can fight with anti-bacterial medications.


6 posted on 10/15/2005 7:13:48 AM PDT by Zeroisanumber
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"The decision to publish [The virus' structure] was a very close and terrifying call."

And a very stupid one IMO. What are these people thinking?

7 posted on 10/15/2005 7:16:15 AM PDT by drt1
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...explained virologist Eddie Holmes, but "the agent of the most important disease pandemic in human history."

Yep, someone said this, and someone very credentialed in his field, but it is patently false. The Black Plague was easily the mose important disease pandemic in human history, followed by a number of others more important than the Spanish Influenza.

8 posted on 10/15/2005 7:22:26 AM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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PS. The smallpox plague of Rome during the reign of Marcus Aurelius was rather consequential as well, and some argue might've indirectly led to the fall of Rome three centuries later. The Plague of Justinian put an end to his quest to restore the full extent of the Empire, and likely paved the way for the later defeat of the Byzantines by the Muslims, who would otherwise have remained a marginal Arabian sect. Also, the Periclean Plague would almost certainly rank higher too. So would the plague that decimated the Aztecs as well as the one that killed the Atahualpa of the Incas before the Spaniards arrived and also the plague that led to the downfall of the Ming Dynasty in China.


10 posted on 10/15/2005 7:37:17 AM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: NYer
in professing to be wise, they became fools.

on the other hand, I thought that the making of an antidote involved working with the virus itself (i'm in over my head here).

11 posted on 10/15/2005 7:41:13 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (denial is the opiate of the masses.)
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>It was announced last week that American scientists have just created a living, killing copy of the 1918 "Spanish" flu
A cargo plane carrying small amounts of flu virus crashed on railway tracks near Winnipeg's city center Thursday, killing the pilot but missing buildings and vehicles, authorities said.
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Aw, do not worry!
I'm sure when the plane crashes
carrying this stuff,

the fire will destroy
all the samples on the plane . . .
Trust the scientists . . .

12 posted on 10/15/2005 7:43:29 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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Anybody, bad guys included, can now create it. Biological knowledge is far easier to acquire for Osama and friends than nuclear knowledge.

But nuclear destruction by comparison is fairly selective.
This Spanish flu virus is completely non-selective. It will kill Osama as easily as the soccer moms and dads he hates so much.

13 posted on 10/15/2005 7:48:29 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (If you decide to kick the tiger in the ass...you'd better be prepared to deal with the teeth.)
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It was announced last week that American scientists have just created a living, killing copy of the 1918 "Spanish" flu. This is big. Very big.

Yes it is. Because now that we know what it is (turns out it was the bird flu not the swine flu as previously thought) we can work on ways to counteract it.

Nature is the ultimate recycler. What came around once will come around again. Some of us would prefer to have a fighting chance. If you don't like it I suggest that you stick your fingers in your ears and hum really loudly!

14 posted on 10/15/2005 7:48:43 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Warning: Not a Romantic or hero worshiper. Attempts to tug at my heartstrings annoy me... and I bite)
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Looks like Charles has had one too many.

Yes, it's scary, yes, it's dangerous. But until we know what the Spanish Flu is, we won't have the means of defeating it.

We are on the brink of a bird flu pandemic that has the potential to be just as devastating as the 1918 Spanish Flu that killed anywhere from 50 to 100 million people within a few months. Those most vulnerable weren't the young and elderly. For some unknown reason, healthy adults dropped liked flies. They'd get sick in the morning and be dead by afternoon.

As one who gets whacked every flu season, with the flu shots only being 50% effective for me, I've no doubt if we lose containment of the bird flu and it becomes a pandemic; I'm as good as dead.

My only hope of survival is if scientists decode what made the Spanish Flu so deadly, create mechanisms to defeat it, and disseminate the tools and information to the public before the next pandemic hits.

We are racing against the clock - bird flu has infected over a hundred already and killed half of its victims. It's now landed in Europe and Turkey. Unless the knowledge of the Spanish Flu is released to the world with teams all over the globe trying to defeat it, it's going to get really ugly over the next little while.


18 posted on 10/15/2005 9:50:14 AM PDT by Edward Watson (Religious conservative social libertarians need love too!!!)
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To: NYer; Dog Gone
Unarmed against a flu pandemic

19 posted on 10/15/2005 10:07:33 AM PDT by Coleus ("Woe unto him that call evil good and good evil"-- Isaiah 5:20-21)
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I read somewhere that American scientists have also developed nuclear weapons. Ooooh, scary stuff! I guess I'll take my nap now.


23 posted on 10/15/2005 11:28:17 AM PDT by KarinG1
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