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To: Petronski
The HP ump in the post game pc said that his arm outstreched to his right indicated a strike.........

This one is saying OUT.........


101 posted on 10/12/2005 8:49:32 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: hole_n_one

Do you have the Konerco strike out from bottom on 8th?
post those same two pictures.. the right hand slash.... then waiting to raise the fist until after the tag


111 posted on 10/12/2005 8:51:00 PM PDT by VA is for Freepers
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To: hole_n_one

No, Hole, thats not true.

The outstretched hand signals NO Contact. (your first frame).

The second frame signals Strike. Just like any other strike. A clenched fist by the plate umpire does not indicate out.


124 posted on 10/12/2005 8:55:48 PM PDT by adamsjas
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To: hole_n_one

Umpire Signs and Signals

http://www.corson.org/John/Hobbies/Baseball/Signs.html#Out!


Strike

Always signaled with the right hand, each umpire develops a personalized system for signaling the strike. Some do the traditional clenched fist; some indicate the strike out to the side with an open hand. Some umpires nice forward, some turn. Some call strike then signal, others do both simultaneously. One essential element is not to turn away from the action particularly in a two-man system. In a two or three-man system, by not facing forward, an umpire might even miss a play at the plate while going through their actions.


Should you say "Strike," signal "Strike" or both?

Philip Gawthrop from Anne Arundel County, Maryland wrote to add this comment: "Generally, on a swinging strike, as the plate umpire, I NEVER VERBALIZE my call but rather indicate to the players and fans with a raised right arm (in my case, with a clenched fist). The exception to the NOT VERBALIZING is on a third strike; the plate umpire again raises his right arm and says, "Strike Three" firmly but does not "sell the call." If the catcher has dropped or trapped the pitch, you still go through with a firm "Strike Three" keeping eye contact with the batter/catcher."


"Out!"

The clenched right fist and a short hammered motion seem to be favored by most umpires. Again, personal style is acceptable as long as it does not distract you from seeing any other plays taking place. It is advisable to wait a second or two before making this call. Watch that the ball does not come loose and check that the fielder is really in possession of the ball. The call can be made with only a gesture or can be sold with a loud call of "Out!" Signal every out.


Never say "Strike three - You're out!"

Umpires are encouraged not to make this call a part of their repertoire. Why? In some leagues the third strike does not have to be caught while in others it must be caught. Often the plate umpire is in the worst situation to call the trapped ball, for example: a breaking ball in the dirt for the swinging third strike. An umpire should only call "Strike three." If you have a situation where you know the batter now erroneously becomes a runner you can follow this by the call "The Batter is out!"


Dropped Third Strike

Where this call is made the base umpire is often in a better position to relay the possession or trapping of the ball to the plate umpire. Signaling, not calling, a small discreet "out" means the ball was caught. Pointing to the ground with your right hand can mean the ball was trapped or not caught.


125 posted on 10/12/2005 8:56:17 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: hole_n_one

Interesting picture.
Everybody is heading for their dugouts, including the batter, until the batter turns and takes off toward first - - yet the umpire has remained in place rather than head for his water bottle or whatever. It looks to me like the umpire didn't believe that the inning was necessarily over.

And I still do not understand why the Angels watched the guy run to first base without reacting? They had plenty of chance to go pick up the ball and throw him out.


155 posted on 10/12/2005 9:10:17 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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