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We was robbed!! Sox 2 Angels 1
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Posted on 10/12/2005 8:24:45 PM PDT by navysealdad

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To: tallhappy
.......the issue is the ump called the out.

So end it with the Black Sox BS.

41 posted on 10/12/2005 8:37:23 PM PDT by MamaLucci (Mutually assured destruction STILL keeps the Clinton administration criminals out of jail.)
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To: navysealdad
Umps circling wagon and lie-ing.
42 posted on 10/12/2005 8:37:30 PM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: nutmeg

these losers (umps) know they blew it but don't have the class to come out and say so. someone should sue them. this could cost people jobs and livelihoods. i hate refs and umps. baseball should go to totally computerized umpiring. laser strike zone and replay for all other calls.


43 posted on 10/12/2005 8:37:42 PM PDT by jsk10
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To: Al Simmons
That ball did not bounce. And when the ump signals out, and then the Angels act accordingly, there is no way the ump can reverse the call. That's just wrong. (I'm not an Angel's fan.)

-A8

44 posted on 10/12/2005 8:38:15 PM PDT by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: Prolifeconservative
I'm a baseball purist and I hate it when this crap happens in the game.

Agreed... I'm just incredulous. Why bother following 162 baseball games a year... then it comes down to crap like this?! >:-(

(I'm a Red Sox fan, rooting for the Angels in this ALCS)

45 posted on 10/12/2005 8:38:17 PM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/28/04)
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To: Al Simmons

Sorry, it hit the ridge in the bottom of the webbing, not the ground. Seriously, would a pro catcher just roll the ball back to the pitcher without easily tagging the runner out if he wasn't ABSOLUTELY positive he caught the ball, something he has done a million times in his career. He has got enough balls in the dirt to easily know the difference.


46 posted on 10/12/2005 8:38:25 PM PDT by HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath (My Homeland Security: Isaiah 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper)
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To: RushCrush

Is this a new version of the Black Sox in which the ump is part of throwing the game.


47 posted on 10/12/2005 8:38:28 PM PDT by doug from upland (Mocking the leftists approximately 20 hours a day.....hey I need some sleep)
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To: RichInOC

No, it's Bush's fault.


48 posted on 10/12/2005 8:38:55 PM PDT by JRios1968 ("Sharpie Diem": seize the marker.)
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To: hole_n_one
Thanks...caught the end. And I still don't know whether it hit the ground or not.

That's one thing that makes baseball great: you can watch it for forty years and still see something you've never seen before.

49 posted on 10/12/2005 8:39:04 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they have to.)
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To: hole_n_one

I am assuming the batter did not offer at the ball at all so it could not be called a swinging strike. If so, I need at least one more frame. The ball seems to be past the plate already in your first frame.


50 posted on 10/12/2005 8:39:04 PM PDT by JLS
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To: JRios1968

I thought it was Harriet Miers' fault.


51 posted on 10/12/2005 8:39:27 PM PDT by RichInOC (Don't you monkey with the monkey...)
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To: MikeA
A totally illegitimate win by the Sox. They didn't win anything tonight. And that ump is a mental deficient. That ball was in the glove AND he called the batter out. End of story. This wasn't a real win.

I hate it when games end with lame stuf like this play. It would have been way better to have a clean uncontroversial win, because the Sox will always be blamed.

But they did nothing wrong, it was a heads up play by AJ. He said after the game he got caught on the exact same thing with the Giants. He didn't hear the word OUT.

Who did screw up?

1) Josh. Rookie play. Any vetran catcher should tag in that situation.

2) The Ump. In his defense, he could not see the camera angle shown in the pictures of this thread. He signaled no contact, then he signaled Strike, but he did not CLEARLY signal OUT, nor (from reports) did he say OUT.

52 posted on 10/12/2005 8:39:43 PM PDT by adamsjas
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To: Al Simmons
It took me four watches of the replay to see it, but you are absolutely correct.

The ball hit the dirt mere inches from impacting the catcher's glove. Watch it frame by frame and the frame before impact shows the ball at a lower hieght than at the catch. That was my (and my friends) first clue.

The catcher's mistake was not routinely tagging the batter. Period.

53 posted on 10/12/2005 8:39:52 PM PDT by mitchbert (Facts Are Stubborn Things .)
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To: MJY1288

'Hanging chads'


54 posted on 10/12/2005 8:39:55 PM PDT by navysealdad
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To: adiaireton8

Not only did the Angels players start walking off the field, I thought I saw A.J. Pierzinski (sp?) walk towards the dugout before turning suddenly and running towards first- he even believed that he was out at first.


55 posted on 10/12/2005 8:40:12 PM PDT by LWalk18
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To: Prolifeconservative
They will make sure the next time I bet you.
56 posted on 10/12/2005 8:40:18 PM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: Al Simmons

That's what I thought I saw, but I have yet to see it again.


57 posted on 10/12/2005 8:40:18 PM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: MJY1288
Ump saying that he never signaled the hitter out, simply that the pitch was a strike.

He clearly raised his clenched fist shoulder high and pumped it once.

That signals OUT.

No ifs, ands or buts.

58 posted on 10/12/2005 8:40:21 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: MikeA

Want some cheese with that whine? GO SOX!


59 posted on 10/12/2005 8:40:21 PM PDT by mrexitement
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To: navysealdad

Living in Oregon, I am not too emotionally involved, but there I was sitting in the local pub enjoying a VERY GOOD local microbrew watching the ALCS. My exclamation of "WHAT!!!" disturbed some patrons and I had to apoplogize. Then they all gathered around and watched the replay. Unanimity here in PDX - LA WAS ROBBED.


60 posted on 10/12/2005 8:40:35 PM PDT by RyanM
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