Especially disappointing is the umpires lying on television. There is no way he can see a ball turning from that point of view.
Posted on 10/12/2005 8:24:45 PM PDT by navysealdad
Game 2 of the ACLS left Chicago celebrating a 2-1 victory. Controversial strikeout didn't end the ninth..
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Let's put it this way .. this is a mistake the catcher will never make again for the rest of his career. When in doubt, the player has to leave the umpire no option.
I'm sure Josh Paul feels he caught the ball. But when your glove is in the dirt, even if the ball isn't (and I'm not saying that it was), you better make sure. There was just too much riding on this play as it turned out.
He said that while the media would want to focus on the one call, it was his team that failed to play at a level necessary to win, and if they had played at that level, they would have been able to overcome an incident such as the one that has now overshadowed the series.
I agree with your analysis.
The ball was close enough to go either way, and the Ump is seeing this play from over the sholder of the catcher. He didn't have the screen shots that freepers are fond of posting.
To all those freeperes who have posted these shots....
Be honest. Go back and screen shot strike 1, strike 2 through the whole game. The Ump did the call the SAME WAY, each time. Plam down arm out = no contact, Clenched fist = Strike. He said in the post game interview that he did not verbally say OUT, and that he was calling the strike. He said he was watching the catcher to see if he was going to tag or toss to first.
He made a good call (as good as he could have from his position). AJ made a heads up play. Josh Paul screwed up.
I have no dog in this fight. Not a fan of either of these teams.
One more thing, I don't know if anyone's posted this because I haven't gotten through the whole thread ... why in the wide world of sports did the Angel pitcher, Escobar I think, throw Crede a pitch right down the middle of the plate on an 0-2 count? I know the call kind of discombobulated the Angels, but you expect pros to shake it off and still execute the fundamentals, and grooving one on 0-2, especially in that situation, is not good fundamental baseball.
All the baseball yacking heads on ESPN interpreted the mechanics of the hp ump's arm and hand on the crucial play as that of signaling an out.
Well, when you are pitching for four outs....you get discombobulated.....
Excellent point, and not out of the realm of possibility when an athlete knows he might get caught out.
What are you talking about? If the catcher is so certain he's going to get "caught" (caught?), all he has to do is reach out and tag the batter. What's so difficult about that? He obviously thought he made the play, the batter struck out, and that was that. End of play, end of inning.
It seems you guys are ascribing a deviousness to the catcher where none exists, and where there is no reason for such to exist.
This Machiavellian analysis of the play is just a little too preposterous for me to accept. Save this kind of stuff for the spy game thing, OK?
CA....
Exactly, notice how the angels fans here fail to acknowledge their own mistakes preferring to call out and blame others for the angel's own ineptness after this call.
1) catcher fails to get ball out of glove on stolen base attempt.
2) pitcher makes HUGE mistake throwing a meatball down the middle with an 0-2 count with two outs and a guy on second.
Winners take responsibility, losers make excuses.
Even the Angels manager has more integrity than some here. Especially those who think they know the rules and don't have a clue.
I have no doubt that Scioscia will have them ready to play Friday night. He's a pro. Ca-ca happens, you've got to pick yourself up and go on. Isn't that the conservative position? :)
If the ball is trapped against the ground or has made contact with the ground (even if then caught cleanly), that too falls in the same category as a DROPPED THIRD STRIKE.
Somewhere, Arnold Rothstein is smiling
If your account is correct, then the batter should be out for running outside the baseline, right? I thought this stuff wasn't supposed to happen after the 1908 Giants-Cubs fiasco, but who knows...
See post #192. Thanks.
Oh good God, if you're implying what I think you're implying, take off the tinfoil and take a Prozac.
Especially disappointing is the umpires lying on television. There is no way he can see a ball turning from that point of view.
Ok Folks, those of you CLAIMING the ball did not bounce need to do the following WITH INTEGRITY, and tell me what you see.
Go to MLB.com, and do the following.
1)Click Here: http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/ps/y2005/video.jsp?view=ana_cws
2) Click on the 350k feed of the play in question.
3) after the ad, right click on the play and choose zoom, full screen.
4) watch play, and when you get to 34 seconds in, actually 35, use your mouse, hover over the seek key and keep clicking and replaying seconds 34-35. When you get it right you will see the ball BOUNCING up about 1/4 inch into the glove. Best if clcked on second 35 about 10 times, you will see the movement.
5) Notice this is separate from the mitt movement of the catcher.
6) Concentrate on second 35 of this clip, and you will see the bounce.
Maybe someone with capture can zoom the 2 frames showing a line on both superimposed with resulting ball being above after it hits the ground.
folks, I am convinced 100% that this ball hit the ground and bounced up into his glove.
Is it subtle, yes, but it is there. If this had been reversed, and he was called out, there would be more evidence that this ball hit the ground than not.
All you have to do is follow my advice above, and let's see who has the integrity here, and who does not.
We're Freepers, let's get this one right, shall we?
Regards,
Joe
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