Intelligent Design 101: Short on science, long on snake oil

The Minnesota Daily ^ | 10/11/2005 | James Curtsinger

[Elpasser]

It always amazes me that conservatives who are rightfully skeptical about "political correctness," "diversity," global warming, and other ideological crap so readily swallow evolution.

If they applied the same skepticism to evolution and discovered the evangelical atheism at its core, they would be appalled to see that the emperor has no clothes.

To believe that something comes from nothing, or that the first cell "organized" itself from chaos, is remarkably naive and uninformed.

I wonder what adherents to such nonsense will have to say for themselves when they stand, devastated, in the presence of an Eternal God who will ask, "I gave you a brain. Why didn't you think for yourself?."

As sure as the Fourth of July, that day is coming for all of us.

[untrained skeptic]

"so let’s start with the work of Dr. Michael Behe, ID’s leading scientist. Dr. Behe, a professor of biochemistry"

Since when do broad theories that have been considered over recorded history have "leading scientists"? Who nominates them to be leading scientists? Journalists who are trying to say they aren't scientists?

"Ergo if something in biology looks designed, it is designed."

Oversimplify, then attack, garbage journalism.

"He reviewed “irreducible complexity,” the important notion that certain structures with intricately interacting parts cannot function if any part is removed. According to Dr. Behe, such structures could not evolve gradually, as standard Darwinian Theory supposes; they must be the handiwork of a designer."

Must be denotes proof. Intelligent design and Darwin's theory of evolution are both unproven. His assertions are merely supporting evidence, not proof. The author is holding the Theory of Evolution and ID to different standards and then discounting ID because it's not proven.

" Surprisingly, he had nothing to say about new developments in ID. Surely this revolutionary approach to biology has produced important scientific insights in the last nine years. Let’s use the Web to discover what they are.

Use Google to find “Entrez PubMed,” which will take you to a database of 15 million peer-reviewed publications in the primary scientific literature. The site, maintained by the National Library of Medicine, allows users to enter a search term and retrieve references to relevant publications."

Considering that with a quick search of that site I found an article titled "Was Darwin a creationist?" from Indiana University-Purdue University, I don't think he bothered searching ver hard.

Why search for “Behe intelligent design”, he's not the only person who's researched the subject, nor is all the research going to specificly mention the term intelligent design.

To get more useful information, enter “intelligent design” in quotation marks, which searches for the two words together. When I searched last week, this produced 25 references.

If I put in "Darwin evloution" you get 481 hits, and I would expect that Darwin is much more famous than Dr. Behe.

"Exact numbers change daily as new publications are added to the database, but the pattern is clear. Where are the scientific papers supporting ID?"

The biggest clue is that rather than search more general sites, the author chooses to search the National Library of Medicine. You can always effect the results by choosing where you look. The medical community is looking for things they can directly apply, and ID doesn't help them much in that area.

" The most recent (Behe and Snoke, 2004 and 2005) suggest that certain events in molecular evolution have low probability of occurrence.

This falls far short of the claim that a designer must have intervened, but what the heck, let’s put all 11 in the ID column."

Back to the bogus argument of the evidence not PROVING ID. There's not evidence PROVING the theory of evolution either.

I quit reading at this point. The author is either incompetent, or just interested in making petty attacks.

[Junior]

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24. 2005-10-07 Descent of Man in Dover (Why acceptance of ID not inevitable.)
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[conservativebabe]

Just read it, thanks.

[squarebarb]

LOL!!

[Elpasser]

Englishmen and Americans are semantical, not biological, distinctions. Next example please...

[notfornothing]

Thanks for the info. I'll check it out.

I tend to see this whole debate as one pretty big misunderstanding. From my layman's perspective I think that once people realize that biology and cosmology are two separate things, there's really not a whole lot to argue about.

[highball]

But, that completely obliterates the belief that God created man in his image, Adam.

I know that sounds probably silly to most, but that is how I was raised.

Is there any way to account for or explain that? Or is that just strict religious belief?

Well, I'm reluctant to get into such a personal realm. You will have to find a way to reconcile the fact of evolution with whatever beliefs you hold.

[conservativebabe]

If you read any of this thread at all, you would see that I have been made out to be stupid for asking questions.

I am trying to reconcile my faith with these theories and am not inclined to take either one as fact.

As usual, anyone who goes on faith alone must be dumb. And I always thought that was a liberal mind set, guess not.

[conservativebabe]

True, but I will need to do a lot more study to accept evolution as fact.

[js1138]

No soup for you, james!

[Physicist]

Englishmen and Americans are semantical, not biological, distinctions.

Ah, so there are Englishmen today because enough Americans "hopped the pond" in the interim to replace that extinguished population. Got it.

[highball]

True, but I will need to do a lot more study to accept evolution as fact.

That's fine - it's pretty complicated stuff.

There's enough evidence to support evolution that I'm confident anyone approaching it with an open mind will eventually have to accept it as scientific fact.

[<1/1,000,000th%]

Have you ever had a scientist put forth any scenario of what was before matter???

Yes. Big bang theory talks about the events that led from the big bang up to the precipitation of matter.

Scenarios prior to the big bang are called speculation.

However, cosmology is not a branch of evolutionary biology.

[<1/1,000,000th%]

As usual, anyone who goes on faith alone must be dumb.

My wife says I'm dumb, but it has nothing to do with our faith. ;)

[Zhangliqun]

"...you have to accept either that matter always existed or that God always existed."

No, you don't.

What's the 3rd option?

[AntiGuv]

Obviously that at some past time neither existed.

[jennyp]

If-I-am-descended-from-Alabamans-then-why-is-there-still-an-Alabama PLACEMARKER.

[RightWhale]

To believe that something comes from nothing, or that the first cell "organized" itself from chaos

Has nothing to do with evolution, even though it has been claimed as having something to do with evolution thousands of time on FR.

[cynicom]

Big bang was explosion of matter.