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Intelligent Design 101: Short on science, long on snake oil
The Minnesota Daily ^ | 10/11/2005 | James Curtsinger

Posted on 10/12/2005 10:43:32 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor

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Quack quack splat!
1 posted on 10/12/2005 10:43:36 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor; PatrickHenry

Horse feces ping!


2 posted on 10/12/2005 10:44:29 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor

My wife doesn't think she was Intelligently Designed. She tells me that every month.


3 posted on 10/12/2005 10:49:09 AM PDT by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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You mean, ID is not science (gasp)? I'm shocked!
4 posted on 10/12/2005 10:52:29 AM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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Well, ID is excluded from two data bases (and almost all of our public schools) and a flagella has two functions.  That settles it, I'm related to a maple tree.
 
Owl_Eagle

(If what I just wrote makes you sad or angry,

 it was probably sarcasm)

5 posted on 10/12/2005 10:55:12 AM PDT by End Times Sentinel (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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His response might seem like a minor concession, but is very significant. The old meaning of irreducible complexity was, “It doesn’t have any function when a part is removed.” Evidently, the new meaning of irreducible complexity is “It doesn’t have the same function when a part is removed.”

Furiously scribbling notes...

6 posted on 10/12/2005 10:56:26 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: narby

"My wife doesn't think she was Intelligently Designed"

Mine doesn't think I was! :)


7 posted on 10/12/2005 10:56:36 AM PDT by Pessimist
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Quack quack splat!

Well, well; it seems Behe's Prized Canard (Irreducible Complexity) is a ruptured duck....

8 posted on 10/12/2005 10:57:34 AM PDT by longshadow
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To: Right Wing Professor

Good conservativs can agree to disagree on this issue. Of course, we will secretly believe a whole host of usavory things about those on the other side, but such is life I suppose.


9 posted on 10/12/2005 11:01:34 AM PDT by Paradox (Just because we are not perfect, does not mean we are not good.)
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So, we have to assume that the good professor who wrote this article is of the Darwinian mind given that he is in the evolution department.

I only last week, watched a video on intelligent design, not wanting to take it on it's face. I have always been skeptical about the theory of evolution.

I am no scientist, but I am not sure how one can make the leap to say that intelligent design is done, based soley on the biology of the secretory function of the bacterial flagellum. It does show that another function exists, but ID is a very new science in terms of discovery, and I think that it's sole purpose or functions are not yet known. I don't think we can dismiss it altogether just yet.

When you watch the function of the bacterial flagellum, it's make-up being much like a machine with independent parts of a whole, it is astounding that it would develop simply by evolutionary processes. Perhaps it did, but I have my doubts.


10 posted on 10/12/2005 11:03:55 AM PDT by conservativebabe (proud to be a vitriolic hyperconservative)
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I only last week, watched a video on intelligent design...

But were you staying at a Holiday Inn?

11 posted on 10/12/2005 11:07:51 AM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: Paradox

I don't get the criticism of Dr. Behe's acuity by conservatives. He is trying to illustrate scientifically that Darwinian theory is not the end all be all answer to the creation of life.

I am not saying that I totally agree with Dr. Behe, but I also think Darwin was a good man, just off target. Even Darwin himself admitted the possibility that discoveries may be made to negate his theory.


12 posted on 10/12/2005 11:10:23 AM PDT by conservativebabe (proud to be a vitriolic hyperconservative)
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To: AntiGuv

What does that mean?


13 posted on 10/12/2005 11:10:54 AM PDT by conservativebabe (proud to be a vitriolic hyperconservative)
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ID is a very new science in terms of discovery

That's actually not true. ID has been around for a very long time. It's a new name for an old, tired idea.

14 posted on 10/12/2005 11:14:01 AM PDT by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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ID is a very new science in terms of discovery

That's actually not true. ID has been around for a very long time. It's a new name for an old, tired idea.

15 posted on 10/12/2005 11:14:02 AM PDT by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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ID is a very new science in terms of discovery

So new that it doesn't have even one peer reviewed paper in the National Library of Medicine on the subject.

Now that's leading edge.

Maybe someday the Discovery Institute will hire some scientists to do actual research on ID, rather than hunt for ways to criticize evolution, and they'll publish a paper.

Waiting,.... Waiting .....

16 posted on 10/12/2005 11:14:12 AM PDT by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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For the record, I am not against ID, although I am more of an evolutionist. I think ID should be mentioned in science classes. It should be given all the time it needs to be explained, about 5-10 minutes, and then thats it. There really isn't much to be said about it that can't be done in that amount of time.

I think many here are using ID as a proxy for Genesis, which is silly, because of all the other creation myths out there which can claim ID as their own.

17 posted on 10/12/2005 11:14:56 AM PDT by Paradox (Just because we are not perfect, does not mean we are not good.)
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On the other hand, evolution is just plumb full of science except for the many empty holes in the chain. In those cases the hole is filled in with "theory".


18 posted on 10/12/2005 11:19:22 AM PDT by fish hawk (I am only one, but I am not the only one.)
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To: highball

Okay, but I still don't get why it seems to be dismissed as lunacy. How long has it been around exactly? Surely not as long as Darwinian theory.

I would think conservatives would be interested at least in hearing options other than evolution. I'm not saying that ID is fact, but I'm willing to hear other theories.


19 posted on 10/12/2005 11:19:38 AM PDT by conservativebabe (proud to be a vitriolic hyperconservative)
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It means that watching a video hardly qualifies you to sit in judgment of the alleged 'controversy' (which exists only in the popular culture, not within the scientific discourse). That might come across as a bit harsh, but it's true. Thousands of scientists who devote their careers to the study of biology and medicine have seen the evidence and reached an undeniable consensus. Why? Did they just miss 'the video'?

That ID video you watched probably gave you the sum total there is worth saying about ID, not counting the time spent on nonsense rhetoric and fallacies designed to distort and mislead. Put that up against the sum total of research supporting evolution - the vast mountains of confirmation supporting evolution - and then make an assessment. The evidence for evolution is more than the dozen pages of dumbed-down text that the average person might have vaguely paid attention to in HS sophomore bio class..

20 posted on 10/12/2005 11:20:06 AM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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