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Witch gets 'burned' by Supreme Court (Wiccan priestess angry that Christians favored)
WorldNetDaily ^ | 10/11/05 | Joe Kovacs

Posted on 10/11/2005 5:23:40 PM PDT by wagglebee

A practicing witch who sought to have her prayers heard at government meetings in a Richmond, Va., suburb had no magic before the U.S. Supreme Court.

Justices rejected an appeal by Cyndi Simpson, a Wiccan priestess and member of the Broom Riders Association, who wanted to offer a generalized prayer to the "creator of the universe" in Chesterfield County, Va.

"I wasn't going to talk about the goddess," Simpson said previous to today's decision. "I was going to call the elements, maybe offer up an invocation to the highest being."

Simpson had argued that Christians and members of other faiths were allowed to provide invocations before county meetings, but she was being excluded because of her pagan, polytheistic beliefs.

Wicca is regarded as a natural religion, "grounded in the earth." Followers of its many different forms generally believe all living things, as well as stars, planets and rocks, have a spirit.

American Civil Liberties Union lawyer Rebecca Glenberg said the county "issues invitations to deliver prayers to all Christian, Muslim and Jewish religious leaders in the country. It refuses to issue invitations to Native Americans, Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs, Wiccans or members of any other religion."

Some 235 congregations, the bulk of which are Christian, were on the county's approved list in 2003. The Islamic Center of Virginia is also on the list, and its imams have been involved in giving prayers occasionally.

In a letter of explanation to Simpson, County Attorney Steven L. Micas said, "Chesterfield's nonsectarian invocations are traditionally made to a divinity that is consistent with the Judeo-Christian tradition."

With help from the ACLU, which ironically often opposes most expressions of prayer at government events, Simpson sued and initially won before a federal court judge who ruled the county board violated Simpson's constitutional right of equal and free expression of her religious beliefs.

But at the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, she lost when jurists found Chesterfield County had amended its policy and directed clerics to avoid any mention of Jesus Christ.

The legal precedent covering most government assemblies is the 1983 Supreme Court case of Marsh v. Chambers, where justices noted:

In light of the unambiguous and unbroken history of more than 200 years, there can be no doubt that the practice of opening legislative sessions with prayer has become part of the fabric of our society. To invoke Divine guidance on a public body entrusted with making the laws is not, in these circumstances, an "establishment" of religion or a step toward establishment; it is simply a tolerable acknowledgment of beliefs widely held among the people of this country. As Justice Douglas observed, "[w]e are a religious people whose institutions presuppose a Supreme Being."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 4thcircuit; aclu; firstamendment; prayer; richmond; scotus; wicca; wiccan; witchcraft
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To: wagglebee

Someone need to tell that moonbat that if the country had been founded on her values, we'd all be digging in the dirt for food with our bare hands, and she would be slave to some overlord. Judeo-Christian principle are what give us all the freedom to walk around without fear. She should be pointed to what happened recently to that guy in India that 67 women of the village thought was guilty of practising witchcraft. She should be thankful that here in the US, Christian don't run around committing murder on witches anymore. And if they do, the law will come down on them with its full fury.


21 posted on 10/11/2005 5:50:14 PM PDT by Clock King ("How will it end?" - Emperor; "In Fire." - Kosh)
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To: wagglebee

Don't be too happy. What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.


22 posted on 10/11/2005 5:50:56 PM PDT by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: Join Or Die

I'm less wary of Wiccans than the (approved) Muslims


23 posted on 10/11/2005 5:51:51 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Paging Nehemiah Scudder:the Crazy Years are peaking. America is ready for you.)
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To: wagglebee

This was not, technically, a decision. The Supreme Court just refused to hear the case (as they refuse to hear 98% of the cases they are asked to hear). The Supreme Court wrote no opinion, and its action is not citeable as precedent (but the lower court's decision stands).


24 posted on 10/11/2005 5:55:04 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Join Or Die

"I fail to see any sanity in this decision."

Silly you - sanity in a court ruling ? ? ? ?

Next you will be expecting justice.

</sarcasm>


25 posted on 10/11/2005 5:58:39 PM PDT by GladesGuru ("In a society predicated upon liberty, it is essential to examine principles)
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To: wagglebee

"Creator of the universe" sounds like Intelligent Design to me. I don't see a problem.


26 posted on 10/11/2005 6:01:55 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: Join Or Die

How about Pastatarians?
Ever heard of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monsterism


27 posted on 10/11/2005 6:03:31 PM PDT by Ludicrous (I support a woman's right to choose an effective contraception method)
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To: sandbar
I don't think they should exclude any religion. If they aren't going to allow all prayers, they shouldn't allow any.

When this witch nut turns and sues using that point, she will wind up winning.

This is one of those victories that opens the doors to courts to ban expressions of christianity.....its also the type of thing college professors use to cite the "intollerance" of chrisitians and used as the chief arguement of why religion should be excluded from the public.

28 posted on 10/11/2005 6:03:32 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: wagglebee
Wicca is regarded as a natural religion, "grounded in the earth." Followers of its many different forms generally believe all living things, as well as stars, planets and rocks, have a spirit.


29 posted on 10/11/2005 6:09:40 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (Relying on the MSM for news is like using suppositories for recreational purposes.)
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To: sandbar

"I don't think they should exclude any religion. If they aren't going to allow all prayers, they shouldn't allow any."

Selling that idea to Americans was one of Satan's major victories in the 20th century.


30 posted on 10/11/2005 6:10:49 PM PDT by dsc
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To: Ludicrous

I have a 20x30 poster of FSM over my couch. It's genius and perfectly illustrates my point.


31 posted on 10/11/2005 6:11:52 PM PDT by Join Or Die
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To: ovrtaxt

And your point is?


32 posted on 10/11/2005 6:12:05 PM PDT by sandbar
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To: Clock King

"She should be thankful that"

She should be thankful that there is no principle of "too nutty to live" in English common law.


33 posted on 10/11/2005 6:12:38 PM PDT by dsc
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To: wagglebee

In this country we have freedom of religion. It isn't right for the government to tell her she isn't allowed to pray at these meetings, especially when others are allowed to. I hope you'll rethink your position on this.


34 posted on 10/11/2005 6:13:34 PM PDT by Born in a Rage
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To: sandbar

I think you are confusing the doctrine of "word magic" with "prayer". They are different.


35 posted on 10/11/2005 6:15:21 PM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again? How'bout a double sarcasm for this one)
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To: Oztrich Boy

I'm pretty much afraid of all religions to a certain extent. I agree Islam is probably #1 though.


36 posted on 10/11/2005 6:15:26 PM PDT by Join Or Die
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To: Join Or Die

I learned about FSM from my kid who pestered me until I broke down and bought him a FSM hoodie.
He is now a trendsetter and the envy of the high school.


37 posted on 10/11/2005 6:17:27 PM PDT by Ludicrous (I support a woman's right to choose an effective contraception method)
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To: Born in a Rage

Freedom of religion does not mean that a local government can be compelled to allow anyone to say a prayer at one of their meetings.


38 posted on 10/11/2005 6:17:53 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: dsc

Also, selling the idea of Satan to other humans was one of man's major victories of the 0th century.


39 posted on 10/11/2005 6:18:25 PM PDT by Join Or Die
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To: Born in a Rage
Actually it's the members of the board making the invitation ~ not the government.

Even while holding government office people are allowed, in the US, to adhere to their own religious beliefs and standards.

40 posted on 10/11/2005 6:18:33 PM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again? How'bout a double sarcasm for this one)
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