Posted on 10/10/2005 4:59:55 PM PDT by gobucks
Why must intelligent design be stopped? Because thisGod forbidcould be the moment when the theocratization of America makes a real advance.
Will the Yankees win the pennant and the World Series? Dont know, dont really much care. Its the same with religion: I just dont get it. There may be a God orI was raised Unitarianan oversoul or divine oneness of creation, but I have no conviction one way or the other, nor any itch to shuck off my uncertainty in favor of either atheism or firm belief.
I realize Im a freak, entirely out of step with the mainstream. According to the polling data, about 5 percent of Americans say they dont believe in God, and only another 5 percentmy 5 percentarent sure. But almost the whole other 90 percent subscribe to some flavor of (Christian) faithmost of those say that the Bible is literally true, and a good 30 percent believe that it was dictated by God.
And whether they are strict scriptural literalists or not, a huge supermajority of Americans believe inwhat else to call it?magic: 61 percent think the world was created in six days, 70 to 78 percent say that hell and the Devil and angels exist, 81 to 85 percent believe in Heaven. If opinion polling had existed in the Middle Ages, its hard to imagine that the numbers would have been much higher.
For practical reasonsreasons both of politics and civilityit ordinarily behooves our tiny minority of reality-based infidels to keep quiet about our astonishment that most of our fellow citizens are in thrall to fantastic medieval fever dreams, just as it behooves secular minorities in Islamic countries to keep their modern sentiments to themselves. In countries like ours, the Iraqs and Afghanistans and USAs, liberals need to pick their battles.
So complaining about under God in the Pledge of Allegiance really isnt worth the trouble. Im pleased, of course, when judges declare the display of the Ten Commandments on public property unconstitutional, but even there Im not quite willing to go to the mat, especially concerning the rules about stealing, killing, and filial respect. How about the giant menorah over the door of the Municipal Building on Centre Street every December? Whatever. Discretion is the better part of valor.
But not always and no matter what. Sometimes we have to make an impolitic stink in support of the Enlightenment, and of the pieces of the Constitutionlike the first words of the Bill of Rights, about government making no law respecting an establishment of religionthat are its revolutionary political expression. Intelligent design (ID), the hot new rebranding of Christian creationism, is extremely clever, profoundly disingenuous, and, I think, dangerous. It must be beaten back and kept out of the public schools.
Why have I gotten so riled now? Because when and if, God forbid, the history of Americas theocratic transformation is written, these past few months will be seen as a turning point. When I read in June that the Discovery Institute, the Seattle think tank behind intelligent design, was premiering its new movie, The Privileged Planet: The Search for Purpose in the Universe, at the Smithsonian, I literally moaned and shouted. In his inaugural Mass last spring, the new pope had included a sentence dissing evolution, but in July, Cardinal Schonborn, his close friend and doctrinal Kommandant, elaborated the Churchs aggressive new anti-Darwinism in a Times op-edan article placed, it turned out, through the offices of the Discovery Institute.
Then came August, when I discovered that Bill Gatess foundation is a principal funder of the Discovery Institute (although not primarily its intelligent-design work). And watched the president say that the decision whether to teach evolutionary biology or faith-based pseudoscience should be made by local school districts, but that both sides ought to be properly taught . . . so people can understand what the debate is about. And watched Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, the Harvard Medical School graduate, scramble onto the bandwagon. And then, depressingly, watched the hard-truth-telling maverick John McCain do the same. Finally, at the end of the month, the Times ran a friendly three-part series on intelligent design. The barbarians had breached the gate.
So now my interest in the outcome of Kitzmiller et al. v. Dover Area School Districtthe federal trial of a lawsuit over a Pennsylvania school systems embrace of intelligent designis intense. Dover is close, only two hours beyond Philadelphia. Instead of rooting for Derek Jeter this fall, every joule of my home-team passion is going to the heroic team of dissenters in Dovernot just Tammy Kitzmiller and her ten fellow parents who filed suit, but Bertha Spahr and her six fellow teachers who declined to go along with the school boards crypto-Christian meddling in their science curriculum.
This is the anti-evolution disclaimer the Dover teachers were ordered to read to their ninth-grade classes before they could teach evolution: Because Darwins Theory is a theory, it continues to be tested as new evidence is discovered. . . . Gaps in the Theory exist for which there is no evidence. . . . Intelligent design is an explanation of the origin of life that differs from Darwins view. In a letter to the school superintendent explaining their refusal, the teachers at one point became especially emphatic: INTELLIGENT DESIGN, they wrote, caps lock on, IS NOT SCIENCE. INTELLIGENT DESIGN IS NOT BIOLOGY. INTELLIGENT DESIGN IS NOT AN ACCEPTED SCIENTIFIC THEORY.
The teachers are right; the school boardand Bush, Frist, and McCainis simply wrong. Creationists, now reborn as design theorists, imagine that finally, instead of merely ignoring or denying evolutionary science, they are using bona fide but Genesis-friendly science to discredit it. Their crucial, we-are-not-insane concession is that the Earth really is a few billion years old, rather than only a few thousand.
Evolution is a theory, not a fact, say the stickers that another school system, in Cobb County, Georgia, affixed to textbooks. But all scientific knowledge continues to be tested as new evidence is discovered, and therefore all science is nominally theorytheory that exists along a spectrum, however, from deeply knowledgeable speculation (like superstrings in particle physics) to virtual certainties (such as evolution). In science, there is no such thing as fixed, irrefutable truth. Thats the difference between empiricism and faith.
So heres a compromise: Im willing to print the reasonable-sounding liberal core of the Cobb County disclaimer on every textbook in AmericaThis material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully, and critically consideredas soon as the Christians agree to put the same sticker on all of their Bibles. Disingenuous? Sure, just like the ID movements apparently liberal, apparently evenhanded strategy to sneak religious ideas into the classroom by saying they want to teach the controversy. In fact, the brilliance of the IDers (and of the new New Right generally) has been to recast all sorts of old liberal paradigms and habits for their own ends. We say intelligent design is camouflaged religion, and therefore a violation of the First Amendment? Well, says one of Discoverys directors, the Dover case is indeed about adhering to the First Amendmentby protecting the right to free speech in public-school classrooms.
For several decades the philosophical ground has been softened up by the relativism and political correctness of the secular left, which succeeded in undermining the very idea of objective reality and of calling a spade a spadeso now, in the resulting marsh, fantasies like intelligent design (or Scientology or feng shui or 9/11 as a CIA plot) take root and spread like weeds. Liberals pioneered squishy-minded indulgence of their key constituencies unfortunate new ideas, like reparations and criminalized hate speech; now its the rights turn.
The ID people, Im afraid, remind me of Holocaust deniers. Theyre not evil, but they are distorting and ignoring a century and a half of overwhelming empirical evidence to make it easier for people to believe in a historical miracle, just as Holocaust deniers distort and ignore half a century of overwhelming empirical evidence to make it easier for people to disbelieve a historical crime. Both are enemies of truth.
John E. Jones III, the judge hearing Kitzmiller v. Dover, is an active Republican whom Bush appointed. Still, so far he has ruled in favor of the teachers, and it would be shocking if he issued a verdict that the school system is behaving constitutionallyin other words, if he ruled that intelligent design has a bona fide secular purpose and is not intended to advance religion. Those are the constitutional tests that the big lie of ID was designed to end-run.
Whatever his verdict, the losing side will undoubtedly appeal the case up to the Supreme Court. The last time the court ruled on creationism, overturning a Louisiana education law in 1987, the vote was 7-2, with Justices Scalia and Rehnquist dissenting. That court didnt include Clarence Thomaswho in last years one nation under God case made the Talibanic argument that the First Amendments establishment clause applies only to the federal government and was never meant to prohibit individual states from adopting official religions. But even in the unlikely event that both Chief Justice Roberts (an observant Catholic) and, say, Harriet Miers (a born-again Evangelical) voted with Scalia and Thomas to allow intelligent-design provisos in science classes, the court would presumably still be 5-4 in favor of keeping church and state separated.
So we are probably safe for nowas a jurisprudential matter. But politically, secularism will lose no matter what. If its decided correctly, Kitzmiller v. Dover can become a new Roe v. Wade, a landmark judicial bone in the craw of Christian America, a fresh means for right-wingers to depict their children as victims of godless liberals. At least on Roe v. Wade, a big majority of Americans have consistently supported the decision. As far as teaching straight science goes, however, the big majority is against us. According to a new Pew Research Center poll, 64 percent of Americans are in favor of having creationism and evolution taught in schooland it seems most of those would actually prefer to replace evolution altogether with scriptural teaching. Like I said, those of us who believe wholeheartedly in science and the First Amendment are the freaks.
Uh. Try reading beyond section 5.1
Section 5.2: Speciations in Plant Species not Involving Hybridization or Polyploidy
You're wrong. There are plenty of transitional forms.
There are examples put forth here.
The whole point of science is to throw out prejudice and look strictly at the facts.
But, hey. Feel free to "go beyond" science and believe whatever. Isn't that what you want? To believe in something that science doesn't support? You have to rationalize it somehow I guess.
There are plenty of people that have "gone beyond" science. Most of the time they end up believing foolish things. Science helped up put aside foolish things.
Of course it's a free country. So believe what you will.
Yeah. Communists and Islamofascists.
If ever you wanna tick off a Leftist, just remind 'em that Nazis were Leftists, too. That's right...the Nazis were National Socialists.
It's guaranteed that the Leftist who hears this will either have an aneurysm, give birth to broken glass, or spontaneously combust on the spot. If you're lucky, all three. :o)
I just came to say hi. Miss talking to you.
"There are several of examples here including fruit flies that have evolved into new species of fruit flies."
And they're still FRUIT FLIES. Evolution tries to turn a one celled amoeba into a fish which crawled up out of the sea onto land and somehow turned into a monkey which somehow turned into a human. Never happened, not happening now, never will happen.
Ping.
"If ever you wanna tick off a Leftist, just remind 'em that Nazis were Leftists, too. That's right...the Nazis were National Socialists. "
Several years ago, when I was first being exposed to FR, I saw a thread here that changed so thoroughly exactly how I viewed the term "leftist", encompassing what wrote you wrote here. Until I read that I had always wondered why my antipathy toward the USSR and Nazi Germany was the same, but I kept being told that they were so different, that the labels really meant something.
Thank God for this website.
Thanks, but I'll pass.
I never see you on these threads; my own view is that this particular fight underlies many of the other conflicts at the political level.
It is nice to see you here.
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Good to see you, too; come on, don't I get in enough trouble on the regular threads? You want me in here, too? :-)
Absolutely...
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Heyas! Was thinking about you the other day. How are you and yours doing? :o)
Just doin my part, sir. I'm nothing special; but, I'm glad to provide clarity and conciseness to the extent I can in making this argument plain for all. Obfuscation is a common tool to those with something to hide. So cutting through the fog is necessitated. It isn't easy sometimes; but, nothing worthwhile ever seems to be easy..
Doing fine; bought a new car today; I miss all your wealth of information, but I'm not willing to have a hurricane so we can hang out together again!
Maybe a launch?
Ah, cool. What make & model?
I miss all your wealth of information, but I'm not willing to have a hurricane so we can hang out together again!
Heh. I'm totally on board with you there! It's been a rough year with rough weather. Up until this year, I always figured the Gulf of Mexico's coastline was formed by the shifting of tectonic plates. Now I'm pretty darned sure it was carved out by the ravages of countless hurricanes.
Maybe a launch?
There is one coming up on the 26th of this month (CloudSat/Calipso), but it's been delayed 8 times and is scheduled for an absurdly early hour.
I'm really looking forward to March 2006, though. :o)
This also describes ways of pursuing truth which do not follow the scientific method. Real science is more narrow then this description implies, it involves repeatable experiments.
For instance the careful study of history does not use the scientific method, but this does not mean that historians are foolish, prejudiced, and not concerned with objectively pursuing facts. By inference it seems you either think historians are fools, or you have a looser definition of what science is then I do. In which case you ought to recognize dedicated, fact based theological studies of prophecy and the Bible.
But, hey. Feel free to "go beyond" science and believe whatever. Isn't that what you want? To believe in something that science doesn't support? You have to rationalize it somehow I guess.
You appear to be projecting way beyond the facts with quite a bit of prejudice, but as you mock: its a free country. Even discussions on FR can be attempts to pursue truth. By your own lofty (foolish/reactionary/not very thought out) standards would make your opinion "beyond science" and thus you have ended up:
believing foolish things.
If you wish to continue disagreement, I insist that you only use the scientific method in this debate (and with no such restriction on myself :)
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