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To: devane617
American unions just won't come to grips with the fact that there are millions and millions of foreign workers that are willing and able to do work for $3/hr that their members are getting $30/hr (plus benefits) for.

The days of union retirees getting $40K/yr pensions, totally free health care and a free trip to Disney World every year are over....if American industry is to survive.

6 posted on 10/10/2005 7:44:35 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative
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To: Gay State Conservative
"American unions just won't come to grips with the fact that there are millions and millions of foreign workers that are willing and able to do work for $3/hr that their members are getting $30/hr (plus benefits) for.

The days of union retirees getting $40K/yr pensions, totally free health care and a free trip to Disney World every year are over....if American industry is to survive."

I think there are also some CEOs from India or China who will work for $40K/yr. If you want your worker to work for less you shouldn't raise your own.
9 posted on 10/10/2005 7:53:01 AM PDT by MHalblaub (Tell me in four more years (No, I did not vote for Kerry))
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To: Gay State Conservative

"American unions just won't come to grips with the fact that there are millions and millions of foreign workers that are willing and able to do work for $3/hr that their members are getting $30/hr (plus benefits) for."

I think it's wise to lay all the blame for this at the feet of the rank and file worker, and the union.

We wouldn't want to follow Henry Ford's model and actually pay people enough so that they could afford to buy what they make. That's silly. What an idiot Ford was, definately not a real conservative.

We all know that the executives at GM have to take those huge salaries without any connection to performance because they can't count on the workers. We also know that the design direction was laid out by the union. The workers wouldn't build Camaro or Firebird anymore, so they had to drop them. Meanwhile Ford is doing quite well with Mustang. (Must be renegades over at Ford). And everyone knows American workers are too stupid and lazy to build a decent car, have you driven a, (Marysville, Ohio), Honda lately?

Yep, let's hope GM just shuts down, and we get rid of all those nasty $40k a year jobs. Those unemployed people won't vote, and even if they do, they surely won't vote Democrat. And even if the Democrats are elected, they won't raise our taxes to pay for benefits they give those who elected them and are now making $4/hr at Arby's versus $40k a year at GM.

God forbid we should actually care about anyone who lives in the US more than anyone else. That's Socialism for cryin' out loud. (Not Nationalism, unless we're talking defense, then Nationalism isn't Socialism.)

Yep. Let's get them all unemployed, it worked for England didn't it?


17 posted on 10/10/2005 8:06:22 AM PDT by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
The days of union retirees getting $40K/yr pensions,…

$40K? I’ve known at least two that were receiving $6K month and a 13th “bonus” payment in December (supposedly to handle Christmas-related stuff). That’s closer to $80K.

That was in addition to health benefits you’d kill for. That was also when they were extorting things like 25-and-out at ANY age, so you could easily have a 45 or 46 year old “retiree” drawing it – for literally 35+ years.

Yes, they could very easily be collecting retirement longer than they worked. It’s a good gig if you can get it but you better make DAMNED sure you sell a s-load of expensive-assed cars forever or it won’t work.

I think it’s safe to say those days are O-V-E-R.

20 posted on 10/10/2005 8:10:26 AM PDT by Who dat?
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To: Gay State Conservative
The days of union retirees getting $40K/yr pensions, totally free health care and a free trip to Disney World every year are over....if American industry is to survive

Surely you jest! My husband is a Delphi/GM retiree and he sure doesn't get $40K/yr pension. Try more like $12oo per mo.Health care is NOT totally free either. We pay 50% or our medical thank you...And I've never been sent to Disney World for free...Did you just leave the sarcasm button off?

30 posted on 10/10/2005 8:51:39 AM PDT by queenkathy (I'm not a complete idiot. Some parts are missing.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Delphi offered their workers 12.00 per hour for unskilled (line workers) and 19.00 for unskilled-these people have families and bills too. My husband works for GM...we hope management improves believe me.


47 posted on 10/10/2005 10:47:05 AM PDT by nyconse (a)
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