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The truth about global warming
The Seattle Times ^ | October 9, 2005 | Sandi Doughton

Posted on 10/09/2005 6:41:34 PM PDT by neverdem

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To: Jim_Curtis; neverdem
With winter approaching, ask the Warmist nut jobs this question: "Will a colder than average winter be a sign of global cooling?"...answer: "No, that would be a sign of global warming."...then ask: "Would a warmer than average winter be a sign of global cooling?"...answer: "Don't be silly, that would be a sign of global warming."...

To be fair, I don't think any scientist would use the phrase 'a sign of'. Whether global warming proponent or sceptic, he would say, in both cases, 'consistent with'. A warm or a cold winter in any one region is weather. Global change is climate. The inability to understand the distinction between weather and climate is the underlying conceptual error which is the greatest souce of confusion in the political, media and popular (as distinct from the scientific debate) on this issue. A certain direction of change in the one does not imply the same direction of change in the other. All climate models, from all sides of the argument, assume the persistence of huge regional, local and temporal anomalies around a norm.

61 posted on 10/10/2005 1:38:22 AM PDT by Winniesboy
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To: neverdem
Exaggerating the dangers of climate change can ensure a steady stream of money.

Says a lot right there.

Thirty years ago when I was a geology undergrad, everyone was in a panic about the coming Ice Age.

I guess we've produced so much CO2 that we warmed Mars up, too.

As for consensus, If your dissertation does not pass review, no PhD.

If your thesis doesn't get by the global warmers on your panel, no MS.

If your paper did not make it through peer review, it goes unpublished.

Don't publish, professor?--you perish.

Who are you going to use for a reference?

I do not see how borehole temperatures relate to global warming as a climatological problem, nor how human activity would cause deeper crustal temperatures to vary.

The globe may be warming, but the idea that that warming is anthropogenic is highly doubtful.

62 posted on 10/10/2005 2:05:57 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Archon of the East

Thanks for that link; I had forgotten about that site and did not have it bookmarked. NOW I do. Thanks again!


63 posted on 10/10/2005 4:40:25 AM PDT by alwaysconservative (Forgive your enemies, it messes with their minds.)
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To: KamperKen

This has been pundit Phil Brennan's theory for a long time: that we are in an interstitial warming period because of an impending ice age, NOT global warming.


64 posted on 10/10/2005 5:02:42 AM PDT by alwaysconservative (Forgive your enemies, it messes with their minds.)
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To: Winniesboy
All climate models, from all sides of the argument, assume the persistence of huge regional, local and temporal anomalies around a norm.

All weather that floods or parches the land and makes the potential voter sweat or shiver is consistent with man's resistance to Al Gore's policies.

65 posted on 10/10/2005 6:06:45 AM PDT by Jim_Curtis
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To: G Larry

Any dummy knows that potholes in the roads are caused by global warming.


66 posted on 10/10/2005 6:09:29 AM PDT by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: Names Ash Housewares
"Humans are only beginning to understand her rhythms. Our puny human lifespans and written history but a blink of an eye to Sol."

I'm relieved to see that at least someone else has thought of the Sun as female. Most seem to get caught up on the masculine name Sol...

I portrayed the Sun as being a performer.


A Star In The Family

The Sun cannot see us where we are,
She’s blinded by the footlights,
She slowly shows why she’s a star,
Knowing nothing of closing nights.

Turning her graceful somersaults,
In tempered, measured grace,
Somewhere deep in memory’s vaults,
She sees each childlike face.

As we tug gently on apron-strings,
Reminding of our presence,
Ignoring our distractings,
She glows with inner pleasance.

The act goes on, as always,
Small matter of her loss.
She always has her sunny days,
And fiery arcs to toss.

The Sun is a good mother,
She keeps her hatchlings warm,
Volatile may be another,
But she has kept her form.

A stellar perfomance so blinding,
Her fire is not a pretend,
Her sacrificed life is unwinding,
With lonely old age at its end.

NicknamedBob . . . September 29, 2004
© 2004

67 posted on 10/10/2005 6:25:38 AM PDT by NicknamedBob (George asked me for the best poet... I looked and looked ... I couldn't find anyone better than me.)
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To: neverdem

The author seems to spend a lot of time saying that the global warming 'skeptics' are dominating the discussion. This is a ridiculous premise which totally diregards the predisposition of the MSM to accept globabl warming and man's blame for it as fact.


68 posted on 10/10/2005 7:24:40 AM PDT by CaptRon (Pedecaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: TheIndependentMinded

Thanks for the interesting article on simulations. I have used simulations in my job for years, but put your trust in them? As a systems engineer, we have analysts who very much desire that their model and their advice be used, but we never do until the model is "verified". Recently a model of a pressure vessel exploding turned out to be about a factor of two too low in energy. when we actually tested it, we blew the lab setting apart. So much for models.

I have had a lot of experience with ISPICE models too, it almost seems that anyone can become an electrical engineer these days. But you are right to build and test the actual circuit.


69 posted on 10/10/2005 8:27:54 AM PDT by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: Still Thinking
What a sanctimonious asshole. "Oh, we know what going on because we're the anointed, but Joe Sixpack is just too dumb and too focused on reality TV for us to convince him."

They say the scientists don't know how to communicate with the public. Perhaps its actually because most of the public is unwilling to look up their articles and try to understand them, with the help of classes or textbooks if necessary. The scientists could be communicating just fine for the section of the public that actually bothers to read their articles.

70 posted on 10/10/2005 9:36:08 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Hey, Cindy Sheehan, get over yourself, already!)
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To: Cobra64
And in breaking news, President Bush had a bowel movement yesterday on AF-1 that caused a 7.7 Earthquake in Pakistan and India.

I thought Air Force One had holding tanks!

71 posted on 10/10/2005 10:06:36 AM PDT by George Smiley (This tagline deliberately targeted journalists.)
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To: KC_for_Freedom
The dozen models in use today predict average temperature increases of 3 to 11 degrees by the end of the century.

20 years ago the same 'models' were warning us of an impending ICE AGE. These guys are always warning...just to keep the Federal Grants coming in. They could not find real productive work anywhere.

72 posted on 10/10/2005 10:35:25 AM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: KamperKen

Yes, one of the great con jobs is to go to the artic during the peak temperature in the late summer and freak out about melting ice. They need to balance this by going back in the late winter and show that it freezes back up.

It looks to me as if the ice and snow are just shifting location from one part of the artic to another.

I think the little ice age they predicted in the late 1970's is actually starting. The hot temperatures of the last few years are probably overshoot before it swings cold, coupled with solar activity.


73 posted on 10/10/2005 8:01:30 PM PDT by TheIndependentMinded ("I went insane once, it did me a world of good.")
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To: KC_for_Freedom

I have worked with integrated circuit designers who constantly have simulations show the silicon will work, only to have the actual first cut devices fail completely.

You would not torpedo a thriving economy based on these things. Worse yet, to get where global warming alarmists say we need to be takes about 5 to 6 Kyoto's until you are not burning much of anything at all. I guarantee the technology is not there yet.


74 posted on 10/10/2005 8:08:57 PM PDT by TheIndependentMinded ("I went insane once, it did me a world of good.")
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Absolute proof of Global Warming!

Good Hunting... from Varmint Al

75 posted on 10/11/2005 9:52:16 AM PDT by Varmint Al
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