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The 2005 elections (Barone on NYC, New Jersey, Virginia, and CA Referendums)
US News & World Report ^ | October 9, 2005 | Michael Barone

Posted on 10/09/2005 6:34:13 PM PDT by RWR8189

There's always a dispute over whether the elections held one year after a presidential election are politically significant. You can argue it both ways, and once you know the results, you can pretty well guess which way each party will argue. Still, it's worth taking a look at them, for voters will be choosing the mayor of the nation's largest city, the governor with the greatest institutional power (in New Jersey), and the governor whose jurisdiction includes Washington, D.C.'s Northern Virginia suburbs. Also, California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger put several propositions on the California ballot. If passed, they will significantly reduce the institutional strength of the state's Democrats. If defeated, they will show that Schwarzenegger's political capital is pretty well exhausted after two years in office.

New York mayor. This race is pretty much over. Look at the poll results collected by the invaluable www.realclearpolitics.com, and you will see that Mayor Michael Bloomberg is well ahead, a Republican winning absolute majorities in Democratic New York City. Manhattan liberals are not about to turn control of the city's police force over to Bronx Democrat Fernando Ferrer, and at least some polls show Bloomberg leading among blacks as well as whites. Crime continues to decline at astonishing rates in New York, and few voters want to see that change.

It's interesting that New York City, one of the nation's prime liberal constituencies, has elected an undeniably liberal mayor only once since 1969. That was Democrat David Dinkins, elected in 1989 and rejected in favor of Rudolph Giuliani in 1993. The last undeniably liberal mayor before that was John Lindsay, elected by pluralities rather than majorities in 1965 and 1969; each time he carried Manhattan by more than his citywide plurality and lost the four outer boroughs. Crime shot up during his term, and the city lost 1 million people in the 1970s. The voters' reaction was obviously negative. New Yorkers may be liberals, but they're not crazy.

New Jersey governor. This one is getting closer. Jon Corzine spent $65 million getting elected to the Senate in 2000 and seems to be spending similar magnitudes now. In between, Corzine has contributed millions to New Jersey's county Democratic machines and has gotten in return support from the crucial party bosses (George Norcross in Camden County and John Lynch in Middlesex County). These were the men who helped to engineer the withdrawal of Robert Torricelli from the 2002 Senate race and the substitution of former and future Sen. Frank Lautenberg and the resignation of Gov. Jim McGreevey. They also helped to sweep aside Acting Gov. Richard Codey in favor of Corzine. New Jersey Democratic politics is not gentle.

Republican nominee Doug Forrester, who lost to Lautenberg in 2002, seems to be an unimpressive candidate. Corzine led him by wide margins in polls from the June primary until mid-September. In the four most recent polls, Corzine's lead has been between 4 percent and 7 percent, and he has run below 50 percent in all of them. New Jersey is a low-information state, so running below 50 percent is not necessarily a danger sign, and Corzine's money will be employed to produce turnout in the state's heavily Democratic central cities. But sometimes you can have too much money. In 2000, Corzine got bad publicity when his campaign bused in residents of Philadelphia homeless shelters and halfway houses to work on turnout efforts. He won, but by only 50 percent to 47 percent. And New Jersey is not quite as Democratic as it was then: George W. Bush was beaten 56 percent to 40 percent in 2000 but only 53 percent to 46 percent in 2004. Corzine surely remains the favorite. But an upset looks possible.

Virginia governor. The most recent polls show Republican Jerry Kilgore (who, in accordance with Virginia custom, resigned his post as attorney general to make the race) with narrow leads over Democratic Lt. Gov. Tim Kaine; one poll shows the race tied. Kilgore is hurt by the independent candidacy of Republican legislator Russell Potts. Potts and Kaine supported the big tax increase of popular incumbent Democrat Mark Warner; Kilgore opposed it but does not propose repeal. Kilgore is from far southwest Virginia, hundreds of miles from the Northern Virginia suburbs, and Kaine has a liberal record as mayor of Richmond, including opposition to capital punishment, a liability in most of Virginia. In 1993 and 1997, Republicans closed strongly by appealing to bedrock conservative sentiment, but that didn't work against self-financer Warner in 2001. This is a state George W. Bush carried 54 percent to 45 percent. But this race could go either way.

California referendums. Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger put his reputation on the line by backing ballot propositions that, if passed, would break the power of important Democratic interests: Proposition 74, which would increase the time required for teacher tenure; Proposition 75, which would require public-sector unions to get approval to use members' dues for politics; Proposition 76, which would impose limits on state spending; and Proposition 77, which would take the power to redistrict legislative and congressional seats away from the (heavily Democratic) Legislature and give it to a panel of retired judges. Last spring, the public-employee unions started spending vast sums on TV ads attacking Schwarzenegger, and his approval ratings have plummeted. Polling before this month has showed his ballot propositions trailing—usually a sign of impending defeat, since Californians tend to vote against propositions they're not sure of, and support for propositions tends to decline during campaigns.

Polling up to late September showed 76 and 77 losing, 74 ahead by unimpressive margins, and only 75 leading by significant margins.

But last month, Schwarzenegger's personal and ad campaigns in favor of the propositions started. SurveyUSA polls, conducted by telephone machines from September 30 to October 2, showed all four of his propositions leading by substantial margins. This represents so striking a shift that many political professionals were skeptical of the results. But they appear to be corroborated by Schwarzenegger's internal polling, as reported by California Republican insider Bill Whalen in www.weeklystandard.com and by a television poll taken this week. Here is Whalen's report of the numbers.

Here's what the governor's internal polling shows:

 

Prop. 74 55% Yes 44% No
Prop. 75 60% Yes 37% No
Prop. 76 58% Yes 36% No
Prop. 77 59% Yes 36% No

Here's a survey, done this week, by KABC-TV in Los Angeles and KPIX-TV in San Francisco:

 

Prop. 74 55% Yes 44% No
Prop. 75 60% Yes 37% No
Prop. 76 58% Yes 36% No
Prop. 77 59% Yes 36% No

Schwarzenegger seems sure to be outspent by the unions. He and his political consultant Mike Murphy have gambled by waiting until the last six weeks of the campaign to spend their money and allowing the governor's job rating to remain at perilously low levels for many months. That takes a lot of nerve. I'm still retaining some skepticism about these late poll results. I've seldom seen opinion turn around in favor of ballot propositions so late in the game-though it did with the ballot propositions Schwarzenegger supported last February. Turnout matters here, and Schwarzenegger benefited from low Democratic turnout in the October 2003 recall election that made him governor. To me, this is the most fascinating and the highest-stake election this November. And I hesitate to predict anything about the outcome-except that it will be important, one way or the other.

 


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California; US: New Jersey; US: New York; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: arnold; barone; bloomberg; corzine; election2005; elections2005; forrester; imissyouthag; jerrykilgore; kaine; kilgore; michaelbarone; nj05; nyc; potts; schwarzenegger; specialelection; surveyusa; virginia
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1 posted on 10/09/2005 6:34:27 PM PDT by RWR8189
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To: RWR8189
The KABC-TV poll is interesting... I now think all four measures will pass by hefty margins and the California MSM will be stunned. They've written the Governor and the GOP off here as politically dead.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
2 posted on 10/09/2005 6:45:23 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: RWR8189

Looks pretty good but could be better...but Bloomberg is no pub


3 posted on 10/09/2005 6:46:21 PM PDT by skaterboy (Be good)
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To: skaterboy
Bloomberg is a RINO.... but New Yorkers don't trust the Democrats. You would think with all of Bush's troubles, it would be a banner year for them. Apparently not.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
4 posted on 10/09/2005 6:47:54 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: RWR8189
California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger put several propositions on the California ballot. If passed, they will significantly reduce the institutional strength of the state's Democrats. … Turnout matters here...To me, this is the most fascinating and the highest-stake election this November.

Say it again Mr. Barone.

BTW I just started reading "Hard America, Soft America". Very interesing social analysis.

5 posted on 10/09/2005 6:48:26 PM PDT by GVnana
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To: GVgirl
If the Democrats and the unions clobber Arnold but they can't defeat measures he champions.... it doesn't speak well of their real strength in California politics. What bears reminder is the Democrats and the media have urged voters to vote NO on 73-77. At the same time, California's liberal establishment have never offered anything in the way of a positive agenda. To put it crudely, they're still hoping to beat something with nothing.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
6 posted on 10/09/2005 6:52:43 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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"I now think all four measures will pass by hefty margins and the California MSM will be stunned."

From your lips to God's ears...

7 posted on 10/09/2005 6:54:05 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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8 posted on 10/09/2005 6:56:12 PM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/28/04)
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To: RWR8189
"Crime shot up during his term, and the city lost 1 million people in the 1970s."

Were there really a million murders in NYC in the 70's, are is this just a badly worded sentence?
9 posted on 10/09/2005 6:58:51 PM PDT by birbear (Admit it. you clicked on the "I have already previewed" button without actually previewing the post.)
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To: RWR8189

Prop. 75 is the most important in California. It will rip the heart out of the evil unions.


10 posted on 10/09/2005 7:01:01 PM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: editor-surveyor
"I now think all four measures will pass by hefty margins and the California MSM will be stunned."

With the millions they've dumped trying to defeat them, I'd be just as happy to see the unions lose.

11 posted on 10/09/2005 7:01:36 PM PDT by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: birbear
Were there really a million murders in NYC in the 70's, are is this just a badly worded sentence?

Nah, it just seemed like it. The "lost" refers to net population loss, mostly out-migration.

12 posted on 10/09/2005 7:08:24 PM PDT by GoBucks2002
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To: South40
Either way, the unions will be broke in 2006. It reminds me of the old saying: "Be careful of what you wish for; you might get it." The unions have conflated their interests with that of California. And as people read their ballot pamphlets, its dawning on them that in the long run, the status quo is quite simply unsustainable. My local newspaper ran a story of how housing is beyond the reach of the middle class thanks to high prices. The Democrats and the unions are creating a state in which, if everything remains unchanged, will consist of people either extremely rich or extremely poor, with nothing left in between. Think about it.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
13 posted on 10/09/2005 7:09:27 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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Re Corzine v. Forrester, one of the problems Senator Corzine is having is explaining why he wants to be Governor, since he is already a US Senator and multi-millionaire. Like, why bother? Forrester, on the other hand, talks like he wants the job.


14 posted on 10/09/2005 7:18:05 PM PDT by sandbox
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To: RWR8189

Something is seriously hosed with the CA special election figures - the internal and KABC polling numbers are identical. The original author probably copied the html for the internal poll and forgot to replace the numbers with those for the KABC poll.


15 posted on 10/09/2005 7:22:32 PM PDT by SFConservative
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To: editor-surveyor

I'm turning out to vote for the Props., but the unions already are bombarding the airwaves here with everything they've got to try to defeat them. It's going to be an irritating month, especially when I turn on the TV.


16 posted on 10/09/2005 7:27:51 PM PDT by Map Kernow ("I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: editor-surveyor
"I now think all four measures will pass by hefty margins and the California MSM will be stunned."

I hope so on all counts

17 posted on 10/09/2005 7:28:51 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: RWR8189
Another thing that sadly makes the Survey USA numbers shown here suspect, is that the undecideds are absurdly low, even for likely voters, which is what these numbers represent.

I wish these were real but I kind of doubt it. If they are not real, the so-called pollsters should have been more adept at making things up so at least they look credible.

If they are real, then if people have their minds made up so firmly, so early, and with so little information in hand, they can be counted on to stick with their strong opinions through November 8. Yeah, right ...

18 posted on 10/09/2005 7:31:37 PM PDT by SFConservative
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To: SFConservative
I should remind every one - SurveyUSA was the only poll that got the 2003 recall election right - it forecast Arnold the winner. Every MSM poll predicted Cruz Bustamante the winner. So this one has a decent track record for accuracy. Right now, people are reading in their pamphlets the actual arguments not just the official ballot language that's shown up in MSM polls. And guess what? People are coming around to the view the measures are terrific. Expect the MSM to editorialize against the reforms and to lash out at those who support them. At the end of the day, they're still fighting with nothing and that is where they will be beaten soundly. Of course they don't see what's coming because my friends the MSM doesn't want to see what's coming and neither do the Democrats and the unions. That right then and there will be their downfall.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
19 posted on 10/09/2005 7:39:58 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: SFConservative

Survey USA is a solid pollster, they did well in 2004 and nailed the Recall election in CA.

Since they broke the poll down to likely voters the low number of undecideds is not that uncommon a month away from the election.

Wait for confirmation from another poll to be excited though.

Trust but verify is always a good model.


20 posted on 10/09/2005 7:42:03 PM PDT by RWR8189 (George Allen 2008.)
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