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'Black box' information driving convictions (Automobile black boxes)
Automotive Body Repair News ^ | Oct 3, 2005 | Tim Sramcik

Posted on 10/09/2005 5:04:56 PM PDT by Ben Mugged

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To: FreedomCalls

Bad judgement in driving a car makes them a criminal? Stupid maybe, okay, but a criminal for a stupid mistake without malice? Forgetaboutit.


101 posted on 10/09/2005 7:15:37 PM PDT by eastforker (Under Cover FReeper going dark(too much 24))
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To: eastforker

Is it something along the lines of: " Constitution? What's that? "


102 posted on 10/09/2005 7:16:14 PM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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To: oceanview
"all cars have them and they cannot be disabled."

All cars do not have them. I'm pretty sure those that do can be disabled.
103 posted on 10/09/2005 7:17:00 PM PDT by DocRock (Osama said, "We love death, the U.S. loves life, that is the main difference between us.")
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To: BlueStateDepression

How about 50 miles south of St. Louis. Southern Illinois. I remember growing up that my dad was so scared of being sued he wouldn't take our class on a hay ride. Every time somebody wants to do something up there the first words out of their mouth is, what if somebody sues, bunch of crap.


104 posted on 10/09/2005 7:18:42 PM PDT by eastforker (Under Cover FReeper going dark(too much 24))
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To: eastforker

Every time somebody wants to do something up there the first words out of their mouth is, what if somebody sues, bunch of crap.


I didn't realize that was a problem restricted to Illinois.
Which county was that in, better yet, what color is it on this map?
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/vote2004/countymap.htm


105 posted on 10/09/2005 7:22:25 PM PDT by BlueStateDepression
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To: weegee
Say the driver in this case had been driving the limit (40) which STILL would have been too fast for weather conditions.

At what point would the driver have been compliant with the law with regards to speed?

The posted speed limit (40 mph in this case) is the speed limit under "ideal" conditions. The law requires a person to not to exceed a much lower limit under poor weather conditions, and obviously much much lower if the conditions are icy.

From the Massachusetts Highway Manual: "“No person operating a motor vehicle will run it at a rate of speed that is greater than reasonable or proper." It is clear evidence that the person was exceeding what was "reasonable and proper" if their speed contributed to the accident. Additionally, quoting again: "it is the responsibility of each motorist to reduce his/her speed for unfavorable weather conditions, poor visibility, or higher traffic volume. Posted speed limits are also a guide and serve as a guide to enforcement officers to what is a reasonable maximum speed for ideal conditions.

107 posted on 10/09/2005 7:25:20 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: BlueStateDepression

Better yet, just keep your but up there and don't come down here and tell us how you did it up north, we don't give a damn how you did it up there. We are doing just fine the way we are. And no, people down here don't sue because of their own stupidity, Texas jurors see though all that crap.


109 posted on 10/09/2005 7:27:33 PM PDT by eastforker (Under Cover FReeper going dark(too much 24))
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To: oceanview

Maybe stupid people shouldn't be driving.


110 posted on 10/09/2005 7:28:03 PM PDT by UpToHere
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To: Snickersnee
An argument against this will begin from Fifth Amendment grounds. Who knows where it will end....

Might hinge on what Meiers thinks.

111 posted on 10/09/2005 7:30:32 PM PDT by Lester Moore (islam's allah is Satan and is NOT the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.)
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To: eastforker

Please stop digging.

"For years, the Texas legal system has been the nation's lawsuit abuse poster child, our courts a "lawsuit lottery" that some are playing – and winning – at our expense. That's right – our expense. Because of junk lawsuits and lawsuit abuse, we pay more for everything we buy, every time we see a dentist or pay the rent. We all pay, and we all lose."

http://www.tala.com/

Or is this just a liberal LIE? LMAO......


112 posted on 10/09/2005 7:32:41 PM PDT by BlueStateDepression
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To: Lester Moore

Fair point.


113 posted on 10/09/2005 7:33:20 PM PDT by BlueStateDepression
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To: eastforker
Bad judgement in driving a car makes them a criminal? Stupid maybe, okay, but a criminal for a stupid mistake without malice?

Yes. That's the difference between murder (dead body - malice intended) and manslaughter (dead body - no malice intended but negligence involved). If you drive your car in such a manner as to negligently cause the death (or potential death) of someone, then you are a criminal. If you are following all the driving laws and cause the death of someone, you are unlikely to be charged with anything as it was probably truly an accident that you could not have prevented by doing something so basic as following the law.

114 posted on 10/09/2005 7:33:58 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Ben Mugged

Bad thing. The owner of the vehicle owns the data. This data should only be used when it benefits the owner of the data.


115 posted on 10/09/2005 7:37:14 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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To: BlueStateDepression

Not talking about lawsuits against corporates or merchandise, that goes on everywhere. I am talking personal lawsuits against individuals stemming from ones own stupidity. As I said, do me a favor and keep your but up there, we are doing fine without you. Boxes??? We don't need no stinking Boxes!!!


116 posted on 10/09/2005 7:40:17 PM PDT by eastforker (Under Cover FReeper going dark(too much 24))
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To: Still Thinking

Facts are what they are and should benefit whoever they benefit. I am astounded at the amount of people that want to hide the truth away like it is something to be shunned.

Just remember, terrorists sit arond and scheme up ways to use that mentality against us.


117 posted on 10/09/2005 7:41:21 PM PDT by BlueStateDepression
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To: mc6809e
And justice is more important than privacy.

I think I agree with that, but I'd have to think about it more before I could say it always applys.
One concern I have is the extension of recorded data from 5 sec. to who knows what limit. Memory is getting cheaper & smaller and when it becomes possible to keep a weeks worth of data they'll do it. Then I question whether anyone has a right to track me over the past week just to see what I've been up to.

Nunya

118 posted on 10/09/2005 7:42:49 PM PDT by Lester Moore (islam's allah is Satan and is NOT the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.)
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To: FreedomCalls

And you want black boxes in the trunk or wherever to provide that information??? Be careful what you ask for, you might just get it.


119 posted on 10/09/2005 7:43:08 PM PDT by eastforker (Under Cover FReeper going dark(too much 24))
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To: eastforker

As I said keep diggin. LMAO


120 posted on 10/09/2005 7:44:00 PM PDT by BlueStateDepression
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