What I'm addressing is that the ideas work together. If you just refuse to recognize the possibilty of ID and are an atheist...just say so.
You "scientific" people are a hoot, no kidding.
Study another science. Mathematics. Tell me the mathematic probability of what you all stand for...talk about faith...hah.
All I'm saying is ID and Evolution can certainly go hand and hand...if you deny a Creator, well then tell me, be honest. If you think that when you die, you are gone from history forever, why bother to put forth your ideas?
He is not separated from science...it seems you want science separated from Him. Not possible.
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Correct, but not in the way you mean.
It takes as much faith as "creationism".
Utterly, completely, dead wrong, from top to bottom.
By an interesting coincidence, I wrote a post on this topic just yesterday. Read it and see if the little light comes on: Post #417 in another thread.
You might also benefit from reading this post on how science demonstrates the truth of its propositions without achieving "proof" in a mathematical sense.
Also check out the essay, "Do You Believe in Evolution?".
And: An Introduction to Science.
What I'm addressing is that the ideas work together.
In what way?
If you just refuse to recognize the possibilty of ID and are an atheist...just say so.
I won't say that, because it's not true. Of course there's the possibility. The point, however -- and you obviously didn't bother to read the linked post, because it said this quite clearly -- is that the problem isn't in the *concept* of ID, it's in the *practice* of it. As ID stands today, it's just pseudoscience and propaganda, *pretending* to be a science.
You "scientific" people are a hoot, no kidding.
Proverbs 29:9: "If a wise man has an argument with a fool, the fool only rages and laughs, and there is no quiet."
Study another science. Mathematics.
Been there, done that.
Tell me the mathematic probability of what you all stand for...talk about faith...hah.
Try to remain coherent. You're not making any sense here. If *you* think you have any probability calculatinos which somehow demonstrate a flaw in evolutionary biology, feel free to present it.
All I'm saying is ID and Evolution can certainly go hand and hand...if you deny a Creator, well then tell me, be honest.
I deny that anyone has put forth any compelling evidence that some intelligence designed some part of life on Earth. And until they do, "ID" isn't a science, it's a postulate.
If you think that when you die, you are gone from history forever, why bother to put forth your ideas?
The same (ridiculously shortsighted) question could be put to anyone who believes in "life after death". Why do anything in this life that isn't strictly necessary for getting to the next one?
Why put forth my ideas? Because I care about improving this life, for myself, for others, and for those who will be born long after I'm dead. Because by putting forth my ideas, I'm forced to examine them and think them through., and I get feedback which can add to them, or point out flaws I hadn't realized.
You know, all the obvious reasons.
He is not separated from science...it seems you want science separated from Him. Not possible.
Who? And what makes you think I want to separate anyone from science?
I am an atheist and I am willing to accept that life on Earth originated elsewhere. I am not willing to accept that a God created earth and life as stated in the bible without evidence that this God exists and that we understand his/her/its motivations and capabilities.
The reason I do not accept ID as it stands, is its lack of a method to successfully differentiate design from nature. The methods so far advertised make the assumption that nature could not accomplish the complexity nature exhibits and use that assumption to prove the point. Those same methods provide for false positives and false negatives. There is no way this can be considered scientifically stringent, therefore ID is not science.
Develop ID into a science with a methodology that can differentiate between design and nature or prove that nature does not produce complexity and the designer would not emulate nature, and ID may be worth looking at.
You are mixing apples, oranges and bananas all in the same basket.
ID as it stands, and Natural Selection cannot go hand in hand. ID is merely a concept, without evidence to back up the claims made...whereas Natural Selection, which also began as a concept, has much evidence collected over many years by many scientists to support the original contention that complex organisms evolved from less complex organisms.
Secondly, had God decided to create the Universe in the manner that ID is promoted (concept without evidence), He would be forever backtracking and fixing to maintain the Universe we know today. In my opinion that would represent pretty slipshod work, in addition to violating about a zillion of His own laws, thus making Him very cranky and tired right about now. ("I knew I should have thought this thing out a bit more!")
Btw, ignoring His own laws would give satan a "Get Out of Jail Free" card at the end of Time, and negating Christ's work on the Cross. Not at all something I would expect our Creator to do.
Nope, if God did it, then He thought everything out well in advance of the actual act of Creation, followed the laws He set forth and has not stepped in to "fix" anything since the Universe began.
And as a personal note, I do not recall anywhere in Scripture that Christ badgered people about their "faith" or "religion".