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Miers Unfairly Maligned
The Toledo [OH] Blade ^ | October 8, 2005 | Kelly, Jack

Posted on 10/08/2005 10:44:49 AM PDT by quidnunc

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To: Parmenio
Disturbing isn't! and not just any senator, but REID himself. Is it possible he is trying to torpedo her, by pretending he is in favor?... But not only him, Schumer too, I believe?
141 posted on 10/08/2005 5:07:42 PM PDT by ElPatriota (Let's not forget, we are all still friends despite our differences)
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To: AnAmericanMother
But see, the only criteria by which we can judge her are her are the years in private practice and her tenure as White House Counsel.

Even if we concede that those are exemplary, it still doesn't yield any concrete information that might tell us what her overriding judicial philosophy is.

All we have to go by are, as you mentioned, "clues."

For me, that's just not satisfactory.

142 posted on 10/08/2005 5:08:33 PM PDT by Do not dub me shapka broham ("I'm okay with being unimpressive. It helps me sleep better.")
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham
All I'm saying is, if her judicial philosophy is the point under discussion, let's not get sidetracked into whether her career is "stellar enough" to warrant a USSC appointment.

I would think a White House counsel would have a lot of philosophical paper trail. We just can't see it because of attorney-client privilege. A stealth candidate indeed.

It really boils down to whether you think Bush would keep his promise. Now, he has been pretty good about doing exactly what he has said he was going to do, although I am not happy about the stuff he hasn't talked about but has done or failed to do (like spending, and failing to deal with the border issue). But up until now he has by and large kept his express promises.

And if she's worked for him for years, and helped him with the judicial nominating process, it's highly likely that he knows what her judicial philosophy is, even if we don't.

143 posted on 10/08/2005 5:15:19 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: AnAmericanMother
PROGRESSIVE MIERS?

[Stanley Kurtz]

This article “Miers espoused progressive views as elected official, record shows,” about Miers’ testimony in a 1990 voting rights lawsuit directly suggests that she would vote like O’Connor on affirmative action. Put that together with Miers’ reported advice on the Michigan Supreme Court case, and the feminist lecture series, and I think we begin to build up a substantive picture of her views.

The most telling thing about this article may be Miers’ comment that she “wouldn’t belong to the Federalist Society” or other “politically charged” groups because they “seem to color your view one way or another.”

From a conversation I’ve had with someone who knows Miers well, I think Miers statement on the Federalist Society reveals her true feelings, and not simply political caution.

Credit: d2e

For me, that in itself should have been a disqualifying factor.

144 posted on 10/08/2005 5:23:47 PM PDT by Do not dub me shapka broham ("I'm okay with being unimpressive. It helps me sleep better.")
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To: seadevil

Well said.


145 posted on 10/08/2005 5:33:48 PM PDT by torchthemummy ("Dems preach to their moonbat choir while the Pubbies sing to the audience. " - TTM)
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham
You know, I'm not a feminist, but you could put together a dossier that made me look like one if you picked and chose from stuff that happened in the 27 years since I got admitted to the bar. I've represented some clients that were very much at odds with my personal beliefs (and I did my best for them too as is my professional duty). I was actually a member (shudder) of the Atlanta Women Lawyer's Association or whatever they call themselves - until I found out they were a bunch of raging feminists who would endorse ANY woman running for office, no matter how much better her opponent was.

I wouldn't worry too much about testimony in a voting rights lawsuit. I'd like to know which side she was on - I've only been a witness a couple of times, lawyers hate it because they know the possible consequences, and my testimony was extremely guarded and calculated to help my side. (I'm not a member of the Federalist Society because I'm just not a "joiner", but if that became an issue in a lawsuit . . . )

On the other hand, she seems to be a Second Amendment absolutist, from an article I read yesterday about her statements in a debate over gun control. THAT is something that even Robert Bork was definitely NOT.

I likewise am a 2A absolutist, have represented gun rights groups (which drove my partners crazy - worried about political fallout in the City of Atlanta - they needn't have worried, we won.)

146 posted on 10/08/2005 5:36:11 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: AnAmericanMother; Dead Corpse; RKBA Democrat; glock rocks; Harmless Teddy Bear; MississippiMan; ...
So am I.

However, the 2nd Amendment-as such-is pretty much nonexistent where I happen to reside, i.e. Kings County, New York.

And to be perfectly honest, there's nothing much that Miers-or anyone else on the Supreme Court, no matter how opposed they are to the notion of bearing arms being a collective right-could or will do to change that.

If the 2nd Amendment is under assault, I'd much prefer that we do battle in state legislatures-and in public opinion-than to leave this decision to unelected judges, no matter how favorably they may be predisposed to our cause.

Seeing as how Bork is the antithesis of an activist judge-and most likely looks no more favorably upon spurious liability lawsuits filed against gun manufacturers than he does on those launched against cigarette makers-I would much rather put my trust and faith in him than in an unknown quantity, however good she may be on one particularly vital aspect of the Bill of Rights.

147 posted on 10/08/2005 5:50:49 PM PDT by Do not dub me shapka broham ("I'm okay with being unimpressive. It helps me sleep better.")
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To: ElPatriota
and not just any senator, but REID himself. Is it possible he is trying to torpedo her, by pretending he is in favor?

I doubt it. The upshot of a gambit like that would be a more conservative nominee.

148 posted on 10/08/2005 5:52:56 PM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham
And to be perfectly honest, there's nothing much that Miers-or anyone else on the Supreme Court, no matter how opposed they are to the notion of bearing arms being a collective right-could or will do to change that.

Maybe so. But also maybe no. It would depend on if the right case came before the court.

They had one recently that could have been good but they hung it on the wrong peg, inter-state commerce clause rather then second amendment.

My problem with Bork is the way he reasoned himself into it.

He "Couldn't imagine" so it couldn't say what it clearly said.

This is exactly the kind of man who would find penumbras and all sorts of things if allowed to do so. Bork would have been better then Souter but based on his writing I think we would have been very disappointed in him.

149 posted on 10/08/2005 6:01:48 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Warning: Not a Romantic or hero worshiper. Attempts to tug at my heartstrings annoy me... and I bite)
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To: AnAmericanMother

You have shed a lot of light without arcing. Nice job.


150 posted on 10/08/2005 6:03:11 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
No one ever really lives up to the expectations we have of them, especially someone who we've spent an entire lifetime venerating.

However, I'm convinced that Bork would have been one of the greatest justices of the 20th-and 21st-century, if only given the opportunity to serve.

I'm not saying that I don't completely agree that his stances on antitrust issues and the 2nd Amendment are confounding, but I don't think that necessarily raises questions about his devotion to original intent.

151 posted on 10/08/2005 6:08:31 PM PDT by Do not dub me shapka broham ("I'm okay with being unimpressive. It helps me sleep better.")
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham
See that is why I don't hero worship.

It tends to cloud your reasoning. I think those things are key to understanding why he would not have been a good choice.

Like I said it was the way he reasoned himself into them. Once you can convince yourself that because you can not imagine something it can not be so then you have opened the door to convincing yourself that other bits don't mean what they say either.

I can see him as a man more swayed by a clever argument rather then underlying truth.

But Bork is not the issue. It is over and done with and we will never know for sure one way or the other.

I am going to watch the hearings with as much of an open mind as I can muster. Mainly I am going to be looking at how she thinks. Does she understand the idea of fundamental founding truths that should not be tampered with? Or does she try to twist them to fit what she wants to think?

If it is the first then bravo. If it is the latter then thumbs down.

152 posted on 10/08/2005 6:18:59 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Warning: Not a Romantic or hero worshiper. Attempts to tug at my heartstrings annoy me... and I bite)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
We'll see.

Keep your fingers crossed.

153 posted on 10/08/2005 6:21:43 PM PDT by Do not dub me shapka broham ("I'm okay with being unimpressive. It helps me sleep better.")
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham
They are. Which makes typing really hard. :)

Good night.

154 posted on 10/08/2005 6:25:13 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Warning: Not a Romantic or hero worshiper. Attempts to tug at my heartstrings annoy me... and I bite)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Ouch.

:7)

Night!

-good times, G.J.P. (Jr.)

155 posted on 10/08/2005 6:27:52 PM PDT by Do not dub me shapka broham ("I'm okay with being unimpressive. It helps me sleep better.")
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To: Hildy
[ Where on Earth did you get that Miers is an ambulance chaser...unless you just believe all lawyers are ambulance chasers...which is ridiculous. Has everyone lost their minds here? ]

Some ambulance chasers don't chase ambulances..
They hire people to do that.. The founders almost to a man were NOT lawyers.. being a lawyer should not qualify you to be a judge.. but it does.. The Constitution is a document very simple to understand unless confused with sophistry.. which is what lawyers DO..

Meirs is no doubt a decent woman and capabile of being a Supreme, in my book.. its just the one the selected her that tars her as suspicious.. also Roberts.. Bush might be a good man on the conservative team IF he didn't run to the opposite/wrong goal and score touchdowns.. I say pull him AND HER before we lose the freepin game.. and maybe the damned coach(Rove) too..

156 posted on 10/08/2005 6:30:48 PM PDT by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham
Well, maybe not in New York, but a firm scotching of the "collective right" theory of the 2A would go a long way in most of the other 49 . . .

I have also found that 2A absolutists tend to be conservative right down the line. If you have the guts to hew to a conservative interpretation of the most reviled section of the Bill of Rights, you usually have the guts to stick with almost anything. I was very suspicious of Bork because of his collectivist view.

. . . and that seems to be a major problem. Souter's record, for example, was quite conservative until he apparently got his head turned.

157 posted on 10/08/2005 6:37:18 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: jwalsh07
Thank you (hey, I'm in the business! I try to be nice. A judge only threatened to throw me in jail ONCE . . . < g > )

Seriously, I don't think we know enough yet to make a judgment on Miers. I will be watching the hearings attentively.

158 posted on 10/08/2005 6:39:45 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: AnAmericanMother
I agree, I've said that from the beginning. What irks me is the talking points from those opposing her on the right could have been written by any old left wing lunatic.

Like I said, you did a nice job.

159 posted on 10/08/2005 6:42:45 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: AnAmericanMother
I have also found that 2A absolutists tend to be conservative right down the line.

Not necessarily...

And yes, there are jurists with the exact same attitude.

However, I've yet to see a judge who believes in overturning Roe v. Wade who is otherwise a bleeding-heart, loose constructionist lib.

160 posted on 10/08/2005 7:14:24 PM PDT by Do not dub me shapka broham ("I'm okay with being unimpressive. It helps me sleep better.")
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