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Whining about Miers.

Posted on 10/08/2005 9:52:18 AM PDT by Allen H

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To: Mulch

If the nomination of Miers is what it takes for some so called "conservatives" to stop voting Republican, then their values don't mean much to them in the first place. Bush isn't even running for re-election, and even though she wouldn't have been my first choice, I sure as HELL am NOT going to check my conservative beliefs and convictions at the door next election day. It's stupid to even say that real conservatives will stop voting Republican because Bush nominated Miers instead of a spoiled harvard graduated up on high holier than thou judicial veteran elitist snob who is a favorite on the party citcuit. Any conservatives that stop voting Republican because of that are way too narrow minded and self important to be voting in ANY ELECTION! You are SUPPOSED to believe what you believe because you know it's right, not because it's convenient and not because the people in charge always do what you yourself would have done the exact way you would have done it. I can't even believe the assinine nature of that kind of premise. It's the kind of silly childish thing I'd expect from liberals!!! "FINE! You won't play the way I want to! Well!!! I'LL SHOW YOU! I'll take MY toys (vote) and go HOME! HMPH! That will teach you!" God that's stupid!!! Are there ANY adults who've actually been living in the real world who are opposed to Miers for real factual provable reasons, and not just because you think you could have thrown the ball further more accurately and completed the game winning touchdown pass???


101 posted on 10/08/2005 11:20:19 AM PDT by Allen H (An informed person, is a conservative person. Remember 9-11,God bless our military,Bush,& the USA!)
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To: Checkers
"Frum is a Canadian. Any questions?"

HA! Nuff said.

102 posted on 10/08/2005 11:21:29 AM PDT by Allen H (An informed person, is a conservative person. Remember 9-11,God bless our military,Bush,& the USA!)
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To: Im4LifeandLiberty

Miers is a member of a nondenomiational, independent Christian church in Dallas.


103 posted on 10/08/2005 11:21:47 AM PDT by Cedric
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To: Allen H
If you can't be civil and an adult, piss off.

Hey butt head get some stripes and maybe contribute a few bucks to FR before you start mouthing off in this forum. You, my friend, are a total f***ing dork.

104 posted on 10/08/2005 11:22:01 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: Allen H

I am the most conservatively Christian person you'll ever meet-- let's talk social issues-- and I do not support Miers.
Much has been said about her "pro-life activism," but I have yet to see any evidence of this. If she remains our nominee, I am going to pray and pray that this is true, but I believe we should have someone whose judicial philosophy is a bit more clear. Stealth nominations tend not to work well for conservatives.

I'm not trying to attack Bush or be overly critical, and I am not an elitist- my inclination is always to support our President- but I feel like he has dropped the ball on a number of crucial issues. For this reason, I can't just sit back and relax when he says to trust him on this one.


105 posted on 10/08/2005 11:23:01 AM PDT by Im4LifeandLiberty ("Because after all, a person's a person no matter how small")
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To: seadevil

You don't really believe that anyone is going to allow Miers to actually answer questions in the hearings, do you? The last nominee to do that was Judge Bork, how did that go for him?

If the ultimate arbitor of the Constitution is not the war, rather than a battle, please show me the larger strategic picture.


106 posted on 10/08/2005 11:23:09 AM PDT by MCPO Airdale
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To: Mulch

I'd of preferred those also, as I've said many times. But Bush didn't pick them so tough marbles. He did pick someone he's known for many years with a history of being a strong conservative Christian Pro-Life loyal Republican. Even when she was a democrat she was a conservative at odds with the left of the party. I like that kind of strength of character and there's no factual evidence that she will not be another Thomas or Scalia on the court. She thought Roberts wasn't conservative enough, and conservatives are all goo-goo over Roberts now. How do you explain that?


107 posted on 10/08/2005 11:23:12 AM PDT by Allen H (An informed person, is a conservative person. Remember 9-11,God bless our military,Bush,& the USA!)
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To: DC Bound; Howlin; Allen H
By the way, it doesn't matter if Miers turns out to be great. Bush has avoided giving a political ass whooping to the dems--a whooping that has been long over due. It would have made more sense to put them on the defensive, spewing their bigoted garbage. Conservatives only win, in the long run, by exposing dems and their vile ugliness while providing a clear picture of a better way to do things.

Here's another example of one of the "base" who just wants a big-ass fight. Win, lose, it doesn't matter. They want a nasty, drawn-out brawl that wears out the rest of the country and is just as likely to blow back on the Republicans and Bush as to work in our favor.

The judicial nominee is a tool to be used to beat Joe Biden and Ted Kennedy over the head.

Never mind that this kind of warfare never works. We MUST have it!

108 posted on 10/08/2005 11:23:13 AM PDT by sinkspur (American Staffordshire Terriers should be bred out of existence.)
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To: Cedric
Given that yuseguys need to work real hard to elect more truly conservative Senators in order to solve the real current problem,

I do what I can, but then there are guys like you who shill for the RINO's.

109 posted on 10/08/2005 11:23:18 AM PDT by Nephi (The Bush Legacy: Known conservatives are ineligible for the Supreme Court.)
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To: Friend of the Friendless
... but can you really expect to get 60 votes with this Senate?

Confirmation requires 51 votes, not 60. But you know what? Miers was picked exactly because the president is seeking 60 votes. He has ratified the unconstitutional practice of cloture abuse.

110 posted on 10/08/2005 11:24:40 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: PatriotGirl827

Yeah, because now and narwal are sure behind her 100%. Whatever. Wait till the confirmation hearings and we'll see how much all the democrats like her. The democrats on the Judiciary Committee said so many nice things about Roberts before the hearing, and then during it they did nothing but try to fillet him ALL THE TIME! Do you not remember that?


111 posted on 10/08/2005 11:25:00 AM PDT by Allen H (An informed person, is a conservative person. Remember 9-11,God bless our military,Bush,& the USA!)
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To: Generic_Login_1787
The Angry Left was ready to shred Roberts, but it couldn't -- because his record was just too good.

Because his educational and, yes, career credentials were excellent -- but without anything the Dems could pin the too conservative, anti-Roe label on. He got away with a lot because the most conservative stuff they had on him was done for a Republican administration -- no way to prove it reflected his own views. (Like conservatives, they inferred conservativism, but they couldn't prove it.)

112 posted on 10/08/2005 11:25:21 AM PDT by maryz
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To: Cboldt
Confirmation requires 51 votes, not 60. But you know what? Miers was picked exactly because the president is seeking 60 votes. He has ratified the unconstitutional practice of cloture abuse.

An excellent observation.

113 posted on 10/08/2005 11:26:17 AM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: Cedric

As Bush's legal counsel, she lives in Washington, DC, where she attends Episcopal churches.

AllenH- I am not going to take my toys and go home-- I will fight for electoral victories for more conservative republicans, and I *do* oppose Miers for "real reasons."


114 posted on 10/08/2005 11:26:27 AM PDT by Im4LifeandLiberty ("Because after all, a person's a person no matter how small")
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To: counterpunch

Go shill yourself. I've heard both sides, read the evidence, listened to people that actually know her, and have decided that all the anti-Miers stuff is opininated elities snobbery by people who think they could always do better than anyone else. It's just that simple. If the fact that I'm not willing to eviscerate someone I don't know when the evidence and first hand personal endorsements from many good well known conservative people means I'm "shilling" for her, then sobeit. I'd rather be doing that then opposing someone without a basis in fact and stanging on ground that has no foundation in reality.


115 posted on 10/08/2005 11:27:01 AM PDT by Allen H (An informed person, is a conservative person. Remember 9-11,God bless our military,Bush,& the USA!)
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To: sinkspur

I think they would prefer that Bush lose.


116 posted on 10/08/2005 11:27:18 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Allen H

Im have gone along with Bush on most of his agenda. I see no reason to quit now. Im in a wait and see mode. I do acknowledge the angst this pick has caused, though. But a word of caution: the Left has tried to divide us over much since 2000. We have made it too far, IMHO, to let this be their victory. For all we know, she [Miers]could be just what the doctor ordered..


117 posted on 10/08/2005 11:27:45 AM PDT by cardinal4 (No more catchy taglines-The Left just plain sucks...)
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To: seadevil
Active debate between the blood spillers and the decision makers is a healthy thing, in the main. However, there is always a small, quite vocal at times, minority - both generals and corporals - for whom the immediate battle both defines the war and determines its outcome; usually due to the inability to shift from the narrow focus of the task at hand to the overall stratgey required to triumph in the end; for a variety of reasons not all of which either are explainable nor are logically evident.

Brilliantly spoken my FRiend! And spot on TRUE!

118 posted on 10/08/2005 11:28:08 AM PDT by Bigun (IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
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To: kenth

Well, I posted it because it's what I believe, and because I'm fed up with all the whining from people who are on the outside looking in, thinking they know better. "vanity" cetainly had nothing to do with my posting of it. This is a conservative forum, I'm very conservative, and frustrated with the whole thin, so, there you go.


119 posted on 10/08/2005 11:28:38 AM PDT by Allen H (An informed person, is a conservative person. Remember 9-11,God bless our military,Bush,& the USA!)
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To: Im4LifeandLiberty

Is she supposed to commute to Dallas and back each Sunday?


120 posted on 10/08/2005 11:29:20 AM PDT by Cedric
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