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To: liberallarry

You do realize that freedom of speech arose in the West during an era you would no doubt describe as dominated by religious fanaticism.

Who is it that's passing speech codes? Christians or secularists? Who carried out the inquisition against Harvard's president over his innocent comments about gender? Not Christians. Who is passing laws to criminalize public or written disapproval of homosexuality? Sweden & Canada are. Are Sweden & Canada more or less secularized than America?

Check out the death stats from the last century, the most secular in history.

Religion can create repressive regimes, but doesn't always do so. No sooner do secularists take over, however, than they immediately head in the direction of repression.


157 posted on 10/10/2005 9:21:00 AM PDT by puroresu (Conservatism is an observation; Liberalism is an ideology)
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To: puroresu
You do realize that freedom of speech arose in the West during an era you would no doubt describe as dominated by religious fanaticism.

Yes. So? The lesson I draw from that is Europeans learned how to transcend theocracy. I suppose you draw the opposite conclusion?

Who is it that's passing speech codes? Christians or secularists?

And so? Secularists are also human...meaning power corrupts and weakness rules.

Check out the death stats from the last century, the most secular in history.

The same...with the caveat that the religious exagerate and distort these stats for their own purposes.

Religion can create repressive regimes, but doesn't always do so. No sooner do secularists take over, however, than they immediately head in the direction of repression.

A perfect example of what I'm talking about. Religious societies - especially monotheistic religious societies - have a terrible record of repression. Democratic capitalist societies - very secular - have a terrific record of tolerance. You, however, prefer to see exactly the opposite.

158 posted on 10/10/2005 10:26:38 AM PDT by liberallarry
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