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To: puroresu
You do realize that freedom of speech arose in the West during an era you would no doubt describe as dominated by religious fanaticism.

Yes. So? The lesson I draw from that is Europeans learned how to transcend theocracy. I suppose you draw the opposite conclusion?

Who is it that's passing speech codes? Christians or secularists?

And so? Secularists are also human...meaning power corrupts and weakness rules.

Check out the death stats from the last century, the most secular in history.

The same...with the caveat that the religious exagerate and distort these stats for their own purposes.

Religion can create repressive regimes, but doesn't always do so. No sooner do secularists take over, however, than they immediately head in the direction of repression.

A perfect example of what I'm talking about. Religious societies - especially monotheistic religious societies - have a terrible record of repression. Democratic capitalist societies - very secular - have a terrific record of tolerance. You, however, prefer to see exactly the opposite.

158 posted on 10/10/2005 10:26:38 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry

It's no coincidence that America, the most religious of the Western nations, is the land most defensive of free speech. I'm sure you wouldn't want to turn the internet over to the secular United Nations.

Think about it. Does anyone ever talk about moving to secularized Canada or Sweden or France because they have a greater tolerance of free speech there? No, they talk about moving there because the welfare checks (paid for by confiscatory taxes on others) are fatter, or because those countries don't bother much with fighting Islam, or because they have cradle to grave socialized medicine, or because they're a "gun free" environment (meaning law abiding citizens have a harder time getting guns), or because they have tougher "hate speech" laws.


159 posted on 10/10/2005 10:37:18 AM PDT by puroresu (Conservatism is an observation; Liberalism is an ideology)
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