Enviros sue feds to block development in roadless forests

ap on Bakersfield Californian ^ | 10/7/05 | Terence Chea - ap

[Prost1]

The enviro wackos would rather see the forests burn rather than be managed.

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[KarlInOhio]

Are these the same roadless areas which have roads, but Clinton said that those roads don't count?

[GreenFreeper]

The enviro wackos would rather see the forests burn rather than be managed.

Burning can be a part of management- its the catastrophic fires that are the problem.

[popdonnelly]

"It's a bunch of tree-huggin' hippie crap!" - Cartman.

Last resort of Washington environmental lobbyists - file a lawsuit. Happens all the time.

It reminds me, though, that there's a tree in my backyard that needs to be cut down.

[L98Fiero]

"The enviro wackos would rather see the forests burn rather than be managed."

That can not be said enough. Their refusal to allow forrest management and logging has cost billions in fire response and damage. I live in MS and it is largely wooded. I have never heard of a forest fire here or in my neighboring states. Of course, we log and cut roads through ours.

[Jacquerie]

We should pass on that natural legacy to future generations in as good a condition as we inherited them."

Fine, petition your congress critters to get a law passed.

Unless this sort of lawsuit abuse is brought under control there is little chance of achieving more important goals such as energy independence.

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[Stirner]

"These are the last wild areas of North America..." said Kristen Boyles

I didn't know all of Alaska, Northern Quebec, Baffin Island, and the Yukon had complete road networks already.

[radioman]

Are these the same roadless areas which have roads, but Clinton said that those roads don't count?

They sure are the same. In my area, the forest service blocked off the old roads. We used to have hundreds of families enjoy the forest every year. We now have none.
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[Prost1]

I think I know a little bit about the forests. I have travelled the original old trail from Colterville, past the Buena Vista and Little Nellie Falls into Foresta and Yosemite Valley. I do not know if it is still passable since I believe the Park felled a huge trail at the park border.

I have watched the Cherry Burn area regrow (Cherry Lake, part of Hetch Hetchy system), much from enviro plantings of trees so close together that squirrels cannot find a home. I have been over the Tuolomne Burn area and have seen its devastation.

I know that the cattle grazing in the Sierras past Long Barn (Sonora Area) have given the deer herd anthrax and the Tuolomne herd has been decimated because of the disease.

Yes, I know how friendly the enviro wachos are.

[wita]

OK, enviros, how about this, first we beat you in court, then we clearcut all X,000 acres, then when we have harvested your precious wood, and destroyed the nesting habitat for all the wildlife, then we are going to sell the ill gotten booty of centuries, gotten by hook and crook throught western statehood negotiation, or should that be called, demands.

Then, you enviros can live with the continuation of what the pioneers of this country were doing to subdue the land for man. Huh? How about it? I can't hear you, what was that you said? Just shut up like most of the enviros in my area have been forced to do by the sheer obvious nature of what leaving things to nature has wrought, nothing but destruction and hardly anything but.

[thackney]

"If we let Mother Nature run rampant, we're going to get these 100,000-acre fires, and it will take centuries for those areas to recover," West said.

If make that "when".

In Alaska, 2004 the following fires burned these acres:

Boundary 537,098
North Dag 419,884
Billy Creek 466,085
Dall City 416,776
Chicken #1 429,102
Pingo 415,959
Porcupine 284,594
Winter Trail 316,910
Camp Creek 175,815
Bonanza Creek 287,200
Gardiner Creek 125,811
Edwards Creek 239,575
Wolf Creek 210,233
Bolgen Creek 196,035
Creek 171,915
Hodanza River 163,239

That is just one year, although a bad year. 2004 Alaska had a total of 6,724,146.6 acres burned. 2005 has been better but not good at 4,609,176.5 acres so far.

Alaska Fire Service

[thackney]

Over 100 million acres in the US are designated wilderness. Over 50 million in Alaska alone.

[wita]

...and PS what says your view of the environment is superior to mine or anyone elses, especially those who are educated in the care and feeding of all things environmental? Huh?

[jjmcgo]

It took the AP eight paragraphs to tell us that the "Clinton-era" rule has twice been knocked down by the courts.
It should be called a "post-Clinton era rule" since the Clinton administration passed it in its last month and never had to abide by it.
The rule was a poison pill to cause the Bush Administration problems in areas otherwise loyal to Republicans.

[GreenFreeper]

...and PS what says your view of the environment is superior to mine or anyone elses, especially those who are educated in the care and feeding of all things environmental? Huh?

are you debating yourself, lol?

[marsh2]

Yes, these are the roadless areas with roads. When the proposal first came up for public comment, I remember sitting in a large room with other folks and the Forest Service. They couldn't even show us on the map where these areas were, but they had started the public comment period. You can't comment on impacts if you have no idea what the proposal is. It was a mad push in Clinton's last months and was not properly done.

It was a foolish set aside. We already are swamped with wilderness, primitive and areas so heavily burdened with regulation that no one can enjoy them or use them. They are not being taken care of. The USFS budget is a mere shadow of what it needs to be to manage these forests.

Access for fire fighting is diminished, as the roads in the roadless areas remain unmaintained. It was a very bad move meant to please emotional leftist suburban environmentalists who haven't a clue. Rural folks will remember the scars from Clinton's reign for a long time.

[countrydummy]

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