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Terror in the heartland?
Washington Times ^ | October 7, 2005 | Editorial

Posted on 10/07/2005 3:13:47 AM PDT by baystaterebel

Not more than 100 yards from the Oklahoma-Kansas State football game on Saturday, OU student Joel Henry Hinrichs III, 21, blew himself up in what was initially believed to be a simple suicide. While his decision to kill himself seemed to match a personality friends and family describe as detached and strange, disturbing facts are beginning to emerge suggesting that Mr. Hinrichs had more sinister designs, like perhaps taking a few of the 84,000 nearby fans with him. Despite the absence of a suicide note, there is little doubt the troubled student intended to kill himself. His bizarre method, however, is more reminiscent of suicide bombers than suicidal students. For instance, at least one of the bomb components he used -- triacetone triperoxide -- was the same homemade substance used by Richard Reid, the so-called Shoe Bomber. The stuff is highly unstable. It can detonate if merely dropped, and experts say it can even explode spontaneously. The obvious questions arise: Why would someone choose to kill himself with this stuff, nicknamed the "Mother of Satan" by Islamists, if suicide were his sole purpose? Did Mr. Hinrichs intend for the bombs to go off when they did, so close to a packed stadium? Also, why carry it out as if in imitation of a suicide bomber? Suicidal people of Mr. Hinrichs' age, it is true, have a tendency for the dramatic, and perhaps that was Mr. Hinrichs' only purpose here -- to go out in such a way as to be remembered. But that still leaves open the question as to how he learned to make bombs in the first place.

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TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; US: Oklahoma; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: domesticterrorism; hinrichs; normanbombing; oubombing
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To: baystaterebel

To me, the biggest mystery is why big MSM (networks and big city leftist rags) isn't covering this story and connecting the readily available dots. You'd think they'd be all over this story like white on rice. How many days did the NY Times feature Abu Grhaib on the front page? It's not like the MSM is going to be mum because Bush asked them to. Maybe he asked them to shout this story from the rooftops, LOL!

Anyone got any ideas?


22 posted on 10/07/2005 4:12:44 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: GOPJ

Someone pointed out on one of the NYC threads a detail that many of us missed: there was an atlas lying on the front seat of Hinrichs' car. This means either that he planned to go someplace with which he was unfamiliar, or that he had been someplace with which he wasn't very familiar. On the whole, it sounds as if the car had been packed and ready to go, but his - er, accident - put an end to that project.


23 posted on 10/07/2005 4:14:57 AM PDT by livius
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To: An.American.Expatriate
WOW - 6 days later the Washington Post decides to write a story on this??? Let me guess, in the print edition on page Z-28 right after the corrections section....

No. Page 13-G of the Home and Garden section, along with coupons for lawn fertilizers...

27 posted on 10/07/2005 4:22:26 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: baystaterebel

Nothing to see here folks, keep it moving ...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/07/AR2005100700023.html

Cops: Student Tried to Buy Bomb Ingredient

The Associated Press
Friday, October 7, 2005; 12:55 AM


28 posted on 10/07/2005 4:23:47 AM PDT by maggief
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To: Lizarde

Question: does anybody know if the song 'Great is the Lord' includes a passage which - when whistled - destabiises perchlorate compounds?

Nice to hear this rather charming testimony from the busdriver, BTW.


30 posted on 10/07/2005 4:33:08 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: Lizarde

Boren is a moron ...

http://www.academia.org/campus_reports/2002/february_2002_3.html


Oklahoma Students Cleared in Hate Crime

Chance Shipman returned to class on January 14th for the first time since the University of Oklahoma forced him to withdraw last September. The administration had accused Shipman, a wrestler at the school, and his friend Gary Frizzell of committing what OU described as a "hate crime" assault against Pakistani student Mohammad Yaseen Haider. Haider has since been charged with sending anthrax threats.

(snip)

Two days after the incident, University President David Boren announced that after speaking with Haider, he had decided to remove Shipman and was bringing student code violation charges against Frizzell.

Boren even gave Haider a work-study job at Parkview Apartments, (where Hinrichs later resided).

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31 posted on 10/07/2005 4:35:25 AM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief
From the WaPo:

Meanwhile, OU president David Boren released a letter Thursday cautioning the news media and community from jumping to any hasty conclusions about the case.

"We believe that we should not judge others ... on the basis of color, race, gender, economic status or freely exercised religious beliefs," the statement read. "To rush to judge others or make assumptions about them on that basis is nothing short of prejudice."

It was not clear what Boren was referring to, but the statement went on to note that some people incorrectly concluded early on that the Oklahoma City bombing was the work of a Middle Eastern terrorist.

"As we all now know, the person responsible was not someone from the Middle East but was Timothy McVeigh and at least one other American who assisted him," the statement read.

Police led Hinrichs' roommate and three other Muslim students from a party after Saturday's explosion, Ashraf Hussein, president of the Muslim Student Association, has said. All were later released.

Well, it's fairly clear just why this story has been muted. May God help OU, because political correctness certainly won't.

33 posted on 10/07/2005 4:39:50 AM PDT by browardchad
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http://newsok.com/article/1636015/?template=home/main

Fri October 7, 2005

OU says student wasn’t sold ticket

By Randy Ellis
The Oklahoman

NORMAN - The University of Oklahoma did not sell a football ticket to the OU student who apparently blew himself up outside the stadium during a game Saturday, a university spokeswoman said Thursday.

Joel “Joe” Henry Hinrichs III is believed to have died in an explosion about 7:30 p.m. Saturday on a campus bench about 100 yards from Gaylord Family - Oklahoma Memorial Stadium, which was packed with about 84,000 fans at the time. Investigators are treating the death as a suicide.

University spokeswoman Catherine Bishop said OU officials have reviewed their ticket records and determined that Hinrichs did not buy a football ticket from any university outlet.

She said university officials have heard nothing to indicate Hinrichs attempted to buy a ticket from one of the fans selling tickets outside the stadium.

The FBI has reviewed surveillance tapes taken by cameras around the stadium. OU President David Boren said Tuesday that, so far, agents have found nothing to indicate Hinrichs tried to enter.

Meanwhile, Norman police called a news conference Thursday to clarify police actions after Hinrichs made an unsuccessful attempt to buy ammonium nitrate at a Norman feed store. Ammonium nitrate is the type of fertilizer used in the 1995 bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building, which resulted in 168 deaths.

Hinrichs’ comments during a conversation with the general manager of Ellison Feed & Seed aroused the suspicions of a veteran off-duty police officer who happened to be present and jotted down Hinrichs’ car tag number.

The off-duty officer said the incident occurred Sept. 29, two days before the explosion, rather than Sept. 28, said Lt. J. D. Younger, Norman police spokesman. The feed store manager had said it was on Sept. 28.

The officer went back on duty at 11 p.m. that night and “conducted a brief follow-up investigation, identifying Hinrichs as a University of Oklahoma student and confirming his residence address on university property,” Younger said.

Younger said his understanding is that the officer did not find any criminal background on Hinrichs that would have raised suspicions.

Sept. 30, the officer discussed what he saw with a Norman bomb squad member, Younger said.

Authorities decided that a written report should be filed Monday, but the explosion occurred before then, Younger said.

“I think it is important to note that it is not a criminal activity to purchase ammonium nitrate fertilizer,” he said.

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34 posted on 10/07/2005 4:49:19 AM PDT by maggief
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To: Alas Babylon!
"Anyone got any ideas?"

They are ignoring this because it didn't happen in New York City. This happened in some redneck town out west. They have not been threatened or inconvenienced so therefore, life goes on.

35 posted on 10/07/2005 4:59:22 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: livius
I think it was a 'work accident' too. No way you commit suicide using 400 lbs of explosives. He was on the way to take out a crowd. And if there were 1000 lbs more in his apartment, jeez that place was a bomb factory. Or else a storage place for products from a nearby bomb factory...

Of course a MOSQUE is in this picture. And a Pakistani roommate. Hopefully the cops will track down many more branches from this tree.

36 posted on 10/07/2005 5:33:39 AM PDT by Sender (Team Infidel USA)
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To: Lizarde
He appeared to me to be asleep

Or pretending to be asleep, waiting for the bus driver to move on before he continued to take the bomb out of the backpack.

I can see it now: Hinrichs hears the whistling and freezes so whoever it is doesn't see what he's doing. When he continues to remove the bomb -- BOOM!

If he was detonated by someone else, however, I doubt it was our people. Not with the bus driver so close. But I still believe Hinrichs set it off himself accidentally. Maybe the bus driver ruined his concentration.

37 posted on 10/07/2005 5:37:12 AM PDT by laz (They can bus 'em to the polls, but they can't bus 'em out of the path of a Cat 5 hurricane.)
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To: maggief
The administration had accused Shipman, a wrestler at the school, and his friend Gary Frizzell of committing what OU described as a "hate crime" assault against Pakistani student Mohammad Yaseen Haider

I imagine if you saw a Muslim with a bomb, and you knocked him to the ground and took the bomb away from him, you'd be charged with assault and battery and a hate crime to boot.

38 posted on 10/07/2005 5:42:44 AM PDT by laz (They can bus 'em to the polls, but they can't bus 'em out of the path of a Cat 5 hurricane.)
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To: dinasour

Thanks, dinasour. Appreciate the ping.


39 posted on 10/07/2005 5:47:45 AM PDT by indcons (Please FReepmail PhiKapMom and Indcons if you want on/off the Norman Bombing ping list.)
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To: dinasour; hoosiermama; hispanarepublicana; PhiKapMom; indcons; mplsconservative; ...
Ping to Washington Times article. Thanks to dinasour for the ping.

Updated FR list-o-links with brief descriptions (Update 4 on 10/06/2005). This list will be updated as new threads are posted.

Cliff notes version, Oct. 06

Main thread with tons of useful info and breaking news from day one, Oct. 01
Joel jihad identification thread, Oct. 02
Bomb material found thread, Oct. 02
Explosive stash found thread, Oct. 03
Joel Jihad tries to buy Ammonium Nitrate thread, Oct. 04
OK City Channel 9 story thread, Oct. 04
Malkin blog posts thread, Oct. 04
Sources ID TATP thread, Oct. 04
Roomie identified thread, Oct. 05
More on the roomie thread 1, Oct. 05
More on the roomie thread 2, Oct. 05
Boren bio, Oct. 05
DougFromUpland interview with Jayna Davis thread, Oct. 05
Suicide Bomber Attempted Stadium Entry/5 Others Involved, Ticket to Algeria Found, Oct. 05. Must-read thread
Officer had clue before OU blast; Oct. 06
Jayna Davis’ radio schedule…check it out; Oct. 06
Some consolidated info from other FR threads; Oct. 06
Link roundup; Oct. 06
Boren’s PC email; read for laughs; Oct. 06
OU shouldn't take too long answering questions; Oct. 06
40 posted on 10/07/2005 5:50:33 AM PDT by indcons (Please FReepmail PhiKapMom and Indcons if you want on/off the Norman Bombing ping list.)
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